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Holder Lied: DOJ News Release Shows Obama Admin Approved ATF Mexico Weapons Smuggling
Salem-News.com ^ | July 10, 2011 | Tim King

Posted on 07/10/2011 6:36:15 PM PDT by Opinionatedtoday

Eric Holder gave false info. to a Congressional Committee last May about ATF operations tied to the deaths of two U.S. Agents; we have the proof.

Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and Special Agent Jaime Zapata from ICE both died from weapons that were sent to Mexico from the United States. There is no knowledge as to how many lives the U.S. weapons smuggling programs claimed in Mexico.

(SALEM, Ore.) - New information indicates that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder's actions are squarely behind the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) operation known as "Fast and Furious", which orchestrated the delivery of almost 2,000 weapons to Mexican drug cartels[1].

Holder openly proclaimed his connection to the operation in April 2009 during a publicized speech in Mexico, then told a Congressional Committee in May 2011, "I probably heard of Fast and Furious the first time in the last few weeks."[2]

The ATF weapons smuggling ring involved the arrest of several government officials with the city of Columbus, New Mexico including the mayor and police chief, but that is all[3].

They were apparently known from the beginning and the weapons deals with 'straw buyers' were videotaped. Smuggled U.S. weapons from this operation, described as mostly semi automatic versions of military weapons like the AK-47, were found to be used in the shooting deaths of two U.S. federal agents.

The new information, which is not really new at all, proves that Holder had to be aware of the U.S. government weapons smuggling operation planned and implemented by federal agents from ATF which he denied to Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) less than two months ago, as detailed below.

(Excerpt) Read more at salem-news.com ...


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1 posted on 07/10/2011 6:36:23 PM PDT by Opinionatedtoday
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To: Opinionatedtoday

Uh... correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t perjury a punishable offense?


2 posted on 07/10/2011 6:41:02 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Opinionatedtoday

SHAZAMM!!


3 posted on 07/10/2011 6:42:37 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Opinionatedtoday

If true, then this bastard MUST go to jail!

HAS to be a huge campaign issue - or else the GOP is totally irresponsible and incompetent.


4 posted on 07/10/2011 6:43:15 PM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: Jack Hammer

This is growing legs. Hopefully this will clean out the maggotry including the Maggot in chief-!!


5 posted on 07/10/2011 6:44:21 PM PDT by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: Opinionatedtoday
Hey Woodward! Hey Bernstein! Hey Media!

NO ONE DIED IN WATERGATE!!!

6 posted on 07/10/2011 6:45:42 PM PDT by eCSMaster (We will fight for America and it starts here in Madison, WI. It starts here. It starts now.)
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To: Jack Hammer

perjury only applies to Republicans and other unwashed souls....


7 posted on 07/10/2011 6:47:06 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: imjimbo
This is growing legs. Hopefully this will clean out the maggotry including the Maggot in chief-!!

I hope you're right, but since this is a Dem administration, and outside of FOX and RW radio, where will the MSM be on this? Are there any Woodwards and Bernsteins out there to really cover this? I'm not optimistic.
8 posted on 07/10/2011 6:47:26 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: R0CK3T

Yeah, but thanks to the media blackout, probably 90% of voters couldn’t tell you what this story is about.


9 posted on 07/10/2011 6:49:37 PM PDT by GnuHere
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To: Jack Hammer
It isn't the crime it is the cover up. This cover up is a whopper.

Watergate was the cover up of a poorly executed break in that didn't even rise to the level of a serious felony and it brought down Nixon.

This is the cover up of a serious weapons crime that resulted in the deaths of untold amounts of people including at least two Federal law enforcement persons. Holder, Obama and the entire staff should be imprisoned let alone impeached. This is a MAJOR scandal. In no way could Obama is either complicit in an international multimillion dollar gun and money laundering program, or he is incompetent to allow such a program to go unnoticed, particularly when the funding for the program was explicitly line itemized in his signature legislation. Holder and Obama are also guilty of Manslaughter in the very least.

Our president has blood on his hands.

10 posted on 07/10/2011 6:50:43 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: eCSMaster

Watergate was personal with the media.

This they couldn’t care less about unless they themselves were being killed by these guns.

The fact is that mexican reporters probably are being killed by these guns because reporting is a dangerous job in Mexico.


11 posted on 07/10/2011 6:52:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Opinionatedtoday
So is LYING to Congress and/or the DOJ now a GOOD THING?
[If it is, free all those who lied and were convicted.
Every single one.]

or is it only OK if the LIAR to the DOJ and/or Congress
is one of "Holder's People"? You know. Special.
Protected. Encouraged to lie.
Encouraged to not keep records and to destroy them.
Encouraged to murder.
You know who: Holder's people. Obama's people.


The American people want to know.

Which is it?

12 posted on 07/10/2011 6:52:53 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: Opinionatedtoday

He will claim that when asked if he knew about “Fast and Furious” he did not know what Congressman Issa was referring to - because he knew it as “Project Gunrunner”.


13 posted on 07/10/2011 6:53:14 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Opinionatedtoday

Found further down in this article questionable information.

I have read some really stupid articles detailing why drugs should be legalized, but this one stinks.

The writer of this piece posits that big pharma benefits from the continued drug trafficking, otherwise marijuana would be legal and big pharma would lose money. So it is the evil pharmaceutical companies that are benefiting from the drug cartels.

That is so much crap! Marijuana is not a harmless substance, and doctors know it.

Marijuana / Cannabis and Schizophrenia
http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention/streetdrugs.html

Use of street drugs (including LSD,methamphetamine,marijuana/hash/cannabis) and alcohol have been linked with significantly increased probability of developing psychosis and schizophrenia. This link has been documented in over 30 different scientific studies (studies done mostly in the UK, Australia and Sweden) over the past 20 years. In one example, a study interviewed 50,000 members of the Swedish Army about their drug consumption and followed up with them later in life. Those who were heavy consumers of cannabis at age 18 were over 600% more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia over the next 15 years than those did not take it...Experts estimate that between 8% and 13% of all schizophrenia cases are linked to marijauna / cannabis use during teen years.”


14 posted on 07/10/2011 6:53:22 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

In this case its a very serious crime, treason if you look at it from the goal end, and a coverup.


15 posted on 07/10/2011 6:54:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Opinionatedtoday

If he were a Republican, he’d be looking at 10 years.


16 posted on 07/10/2011 6:57:00 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Opinionatedtoday

Impeach Obama Yesterday!


17 posted on 07/10/2011 6:58:14 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

uH, BUT OBAMA IS KING.


18 posted on 07/10/2011 6:59:19 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Opinionatedtoday

Let’s see. They say Regan sold arms to the Contras. Now, Obama gives arems to drug dealers in Mexico. There seems only to be differentiated by the entrepeneur aspect of one President and the redistributionist nature of Obams.


19 posted on 07/10/2011 7:02:13 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Haw)
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To: cripplecreek
I think manslaughter is easily provable without even bringing up motive. He obviously authorized the Illegal purchasing of guns with tax payer money that lead to the death of two American Law enforcement officers and an untold number of Mexicans.

Manslaughter, by definition, does not require a motive.

20 posted on 07/10/2011 7:02:44 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Brilliant

From a criminal law standpoint, all the elements are there, namely means, motive, and opportunity. There’s even a smoking gun, several thousand of them in fact.


21 posted on 07/10/2011 7:05:26 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Opinionatedtoday

Wow! He announced what was obviously “Fast and Furious” in April of 2009!

From Dept of Justice’ own documents-—

http://www.justice.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag-speech-090402.html


22 posted on 07/10/2011 7:05:45 PM PDT by cookcounty (Would someone PLEASE give the President a calculator for his birthday???)
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To: Opinionatedtoday

Gunrunner is NOT the same thing as Gunwalker/Fast and Furious.....from Confederate Yankee:

“I’ve seen several claims in the past 24 hours that “prove” that Attorney General Eric Holder, or Congress, or the President, or the Pope, knew about Gunwalker/Fast and Furious because of a speech someone made, or because of legislation being proposed or because of a line item in the Stimulus bill.

I would strongly urge caution in these matters.

Please Keep in mind that Gunrunner is a long-term cartel weapons interdiction program that kicked off during the previous administration. there is no indication that Gunrunner has ever been anything but above-board.”

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/318531.php

Here is a link where Bush Att. Gen. Mukasey briefs Congress in April of 2008....

“Under Project Gunrunner, ATF has approximately 148 special agents dedicated to working firearms trafficking investigations on a full time basis....”

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-110shrg69104303/html/CHRG-110shrg69104303.htm

If we mix these up we will just end up looking foolish, and that is exactly what Holder and Obama want.


23 posted on 07/10/2011 7:06:43 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: Brilliant

“If he were a Republican, he’d be looking at 10 years.”

And, the “media” would be on it like stink on you know what, 24/7. As it is, the affirmative action duo will walk. Mark my words.


24 posted on 07/10/2011 7:09:55 PM PDT by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: Opinionatedtoday
Anyone else notice that DRUDGE is avoiding this story?

Why?

25 posted on 07/10/2011 7:14:40 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Opinionatedtoday
Eric Holder's justice department is trying Roger Clemens for the same exact thing starting Wednesday.

Isn't that unfortunate timing? :)

For Eric Holder and "his people," I mean.

26 posted on 07/10/2011 7:15:53 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: pointsal

“Anyone else notice that DRUDGE is avoiding this story?
Why?”

Because this story is not a story but a set of factual statements and events that are something north of 8,000 degrees Celsius? Gunwalker/Fast and Furious/Gunrunner is spontaneous combustion and lethal to the 0bama administration and its miscarriage of Justice via Holder.


27 posted on 07/10/2011 7:19:57 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Opinionatedtoday

This needs to stay viral, get passed on and followed up with phone calls to representatives and the AG office itself for resignations wholesale.


28 posted on 07/10/2011 7:20:10 PM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: pointsal
Anyone else notice that DRUDGE is avoiding this story?


Send him a tip.
29 posted on 07/10/2011 7:21:21 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: JoeDetweiler

Thank you for the heads up. I am the worst to rail at going off half cocked. Nevertheless, Holder needs to go and this Gunwalker thing needs to be the door that hits him in the buttinsky, among so very many other things as well.


30 posted on 07/10/2011 7:24:32 PM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Which would be a lie since his own statement was that he was expanding the ATF roe on the border which no doubt is fast and furios.


31 posted on 07/10/2011 7:28:04 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: JoeDetweiler

Holders statement and that of the ass. Ag clearly say they are taking new initiates which obviously is fast and furious.


32 posted on 07/10/2011 7:29:35 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: imjimbo
This is growing legs.

That comment has been around @ FR when it comes to some potential issue that will have a negative effect on the Obama administration. Don't hold your breath ... the liberal MSM won't touch it, nor will so called conservative talk radio i.e., Limbaugh, Hannity, et al.

33 posted on 07/10/2011 7:35:05 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Texas Songwriter

Yes but Reagans was doing it to protect Americans from Communist governments. Obama is doing it to turn the US into a Communist Government. That is the scary thing. And the thing that makes me the most angry.


34 posted on 07/10/2011 7:36:40 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: Opinionatedtoday

Obama should be tried for treason and hung!

Intentionally detroying the country because you won the election? WTF!

Obama should be given a speedy trial for his anti-American actions, then hung!


35 posted on 07/10/2011 7:37:10 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: cripplecreek
"In this case its a very serious crime"

Every AFT agent that had knowledge of firearms being allowed to cross the border should be arrested and tried.

If the above agents were not whistle blowers or quit the force, then they are part of the conspiracy to arm the cartels.

The Nuremberg Defense (*Just following orders) did not work 60 some odd years ago and it should not be valid today.

36 posted on 07/10/2011 8:07:59 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Opinionatedtoday

Holder lied
People died

Get rid of this bastard bigot


37 posted on 07/10/2011 8:10:53 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (EX Congressman Anthony Weiner: "Celebrate 'Perversity'")
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To: crazydad

Bachman is correct. The obama administration is a criminal organization.


38 posted on 07/10/2011 8:20:49 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Haw)
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To: R0CK3T
or else the GOP is totally irresponsible and incompetent.

well its', 1 out of 3....
and rem: these are McClellan Republicans
"....we don't ever fight."


39 posted on 07/10/2011 8:21:56 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (You do not have to smear (Pharaoh / Imam / BigEars) Obama w/ lies....the truth does a fine job. :)
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40 posted on 07/10/2011 8:38:28 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: Sprite518

41 posted on 07/10/2011 8:40:26 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: imjimbo

42 posted on 07/10/2011 8:44:12 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Opinionatedtoday.
43 posted on 07/10/2011 8:49:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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FRchives:
44 posted on 07/10/2011 8:56:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: BluH2o

There are ways to harass the media. This story is building around them.


45 posted on 07/10/2011 9:00:47 PM PDT by Darryl Lecht ("Head down over a saddle.")
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To: Opinionatedtoday; All
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46 posted on 07/10/2011 9:27:56 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Opinionatedtoday

does anyone have a transcript

of Holder’s speech in Mexico?


47 posted on 07/10/2011 10:44:06 PM PDT by 50gunsalute
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To: Darryl Lecht

What do you think each of us should do?

Other than encouraging Hannity (he is good with this stuff) and Rush...alerting Drudge? I don’t want this story (if true) to get swept under the carpet.


48 posted on 07/10/2011 10:46:10 PM PDT by Pigsley
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To: R0CK3T

“HAS to be a huge campaign issue - or else the GOP is totally irresponsible and incompetent.”

Yes.


49 posted on 07/10/2011 11:16:22 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: 50gunsalute

From the source article....

http://www.justice.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag-speech-090402.html


50 posted on 07/10/2011 11:30:30 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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