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Rick Perry's Confederate past [Salon "exclusive" that gets it wrong]
Salon ^ | July 13, 2011 | Justin Elliott

Posted on 07/16/2011 2:50:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Salon Exclusive: The Texas governor's uncomfortably close ties to groups that glorify the Lost Cause

[UPDATED BELOW]

Rick Perry made national headlines in 2009 when, during a speech to a Tea Party group, he floated the possibility that Texas could secede from the union. But the governor's substantive ties to the neo-Confederate movement may be deeper than previously known.

A 1998 voting guide published by a leading neo-Confederate group and obtained by Salon not only endorses Perry for lieutenant governor but also describes him as "a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans." Perry's office did not respond to a request for comment about the governor's possible membership in the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

This is the document, published by the League of the South on its website DixieNet.org; it was unearthed by Edward Sebesta, a Texas-based independent researcher and co-editor of "Neo-Confederacy: A Critical Introduction." Click the image for larger size.

[BIG BIG BIG SNIP]

UPDATE 7/14/11: Perry spokeswoman Catherine Frazier issues this denial: "[T]he governor never joined that group nor has he ever paid any dues to it."

I've asked her if he has a position on the pending license plate issue, and if I hear back I will update this post.

(Excerpt) Read more at salon.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: confederacy; msm; perry; rickperry
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This Salon "exclusive" was picked up by Daily Kos yesterday at 6:35PM. They UPDATED it with the correction at 7:04PM -- Too good a lie to let go to waste so they shot it online and then added the "update" (note: not a correction) less than a half hour later.

Anyhoo.....the Salon piece is still up with all it's innuendos and guilt by association, along with pages (not just headlines) "ripped" from history and posted and LINKED (for future misinformation by the MSM).

Because, as we've been repeated told, that if you diss President Barack Obama you will be called a racist.

They're gearing up [looks like a done deal] to paint Perry as racist.

I believe the race-baiting, poverty-pimping Left is going to get an up close and personal opportunity to discover that they've met their match in this challenger.

Click graphic to read the Salon "Exclusive"


1 posted on 07/16/2011 2:50:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Salon; Where the effete meet to bleat
who smell like sheep


2 posted on 07/16/2011 3:15:44 AM PDT by mosesdapoet ("To punish a province Let it be ruled by a professor " Frederick The Great paraphrased)
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To: mosesdapoet

Someone challenged me on the “Rove switched Perry to Republican” so here’s this

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/mar/19/karl-rove/karl-rove-says-he-and-consultant-david-weeks-persu/

Karl Rove says he and consultant David Weeks persuaded Rick Perry to switch parties and run for state agriculture commissioner

Texas Gov. Rick Perry draws mention in GOP consultant Karl Rove’s autobiography with attention
focused on Perry’s win for lieutenant governor in 1998 and Rove’s role in his pivotal earlier
switch from the Democratic to Republican party while he was a third-term member of the Texas House.

Rove writes: “Rick Perry had planned to retire from the legislature until his best friend,
David Weeks, and I talked him into switching parties and running for the GOP nomination for
agriculture commissioner.” His book, “Courage and Consequence, My Life as a Conservative
in the Fight,” was published March 9.


3 posted on 07/16/2011 3:24:23 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: mosesdapoet; All
TEXAS:

Victim trying to save attacker from execution [story below]

It will be interesting to watch this play out.

Ahhhhhhh....I can see the msm headlines now: "Rick Perry allows execution of white supremacist despite racist ties." Then the lead-in: Despite Rick Perry's sympathy and support for the neo-Confederate movement he is allowing the execution of a white supremacist to move forward. Perry who is flirting with a run for the presidency in 2012, has denied his refusal to stay the execution has anything to do with whitewashing his past association with hate groups. //sarcasm

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July 15, 2011: AUSTIN - "A victim of a brutal hate crime is now trying to save his attacker from being executed.

Rais Bhuiyan has filed a lawsuit in Austin, naming Governor Rick Perry and several other officials, in an effort to save his attacker's life because he says he forgives him.

Bhuiyan was the second of three men of middle eastern descent to be targeted by an enraged white supremacist in Dallas, shortly after the 9/11 attacks. Bhuiyan was fortunate to survive after being shot in the eye while working at a Dallas convenience store.

The gunman, Mark Stroman, claimed to be apart of the Aryan Brotherhood and said he was targeting middle easterners as revenge for his sister who was killed in the terrorist attacks.

Stroman was sentenced to death in April of 2002 for fatally shooting the other two men working at convenience stores during the nearly three week long rampage.

But, Bhuiyan says Stroman has changed since the deadly attacks and his life should be spared. "If Mark is given a chance to live, I believe that he will become a spokesperson in raising awareness against hate crimes," said Bhuiyan. [snip]

4 posted on 07/16/2011 3:29:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The killer has “changed”. Good for him. Death Row can do that to one. The death penalty was legally rendered and forgiveness or the lack of it should have NO bearing on it being carried out. Fry, (or should it be chemical?), him.


5 posted on 07/16/2011 3:38:18 AM PDT by tal hajus (ever the cynic)
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To: truthfreedom
Phil Gramm and other conservative TX democrats switched to the GOP. Your Karl Rove connection is lame. Rove worked for Perry on one campaign for Texas Ag Commissioner in 1989. Should I call you a "troll?" I just learned from another FReeper that your constant, disruptive postings to my threads constitutes "trolling."

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[snip] "At the beginning of his six years in the State House, Mr. Perry shot down the notion that he might switch parties, despite the conservative leanings that put him at odds with his party leaders.

After former United States Representative Kent Hance of Lubbock defected to the Republican Party in 1985, Mr. Perry told the Abilene paper he was “disappointed,” saying he planned to change his party rather than defect to the other side.

The gap was obvious by 1989, his last year in the Legislature, when Mr. Perry carried a workers’ compensation insurance bill that angered Texas trial lawyers, then a powerful force in state politics. That same year, The Dallas Morning News named Mr. Perry one of the state’s 10 best legislators, but he was criticized by another publication.

The liberal Texas Observer called Mr. Perry the “Benedict Arnold of the Democratic Party” for siding too often with Mr. Clements.

“If The Texas Observer ever says anything good about me, then I’ve been hit on the head and they can send me back home,” Mr. Perry said.

Rumors that Mr. Perry would defect to the Republican Party — and run against Jim Hightower, the populist Democratic agriculture commissioner — picked up steam by late 1989. On Sept. 29, Mr. Perry made it official at a Capitol news conference. At his side were Fred Meyer, chairman of the Texas Republican Party, and Senator Phil Gramm, a former Democrat, who was aggressively courting would-be converts.

Mr. Perry’s timing, now legendary, could not have been better. He was one of only two Republicans elected to nonjudicial statewide office in 1990. Eight years later, Republicans swept every one of them.

“Perry has been a risk taker,” said Mr. Hance, the party switcher who became the chancellor of Texas Tech University. “And if you look at Perry’s timing in every race, he’s been the golden guy.” Taking a Look at the Governor, Back When He Was a Democrat

6 posted on 07/16/2011 3:41:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

did he light the match to burn the cross or did Robert Byrd do it?


7 posted on 07/16/2011 3:50:05 AM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is Karl Rove’s book.

There’s no questioning that.

You all are really really trying so very hard.

Maybe they all had a hand in it. But according to Karl Rove, Karl Rove did it.

Maybe Karl Rove didn’t realize how unpopular he’d become for picking on Christine O’Donnell (and many many other things),
so he accidentially tainted Perry by association.

Hey, you can’t guess right on everything.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/mar/19/karl-rove/karl-rove-says-he-and-consultant-david-weeks-persu/

Karl Rove says he and consultant David Weeks persuaded Rick Perry to switch parties and run for state agriculture commissioner

Texas Gov. Rick Perry draws mention in GOP consultant Karl Rove’s autobiography with attention
focused on Perry’s win for lieutenant governor in 1998 and Rove’s role in his pivotal earlier
switch from the Democratic to Republican party while he was a third-term member of the Texas House.

Rove writes: “Rick Perry had planned to retire from the legislature until his best friend,
David Weeks, and I talked him into switching parties and running for the GOP nomination for
agriculture commissioner.” His book, “Courage and Consequence, My Life as a Conservative
in the Fight,” was published March 9.


8 posted on 07/16/2011 3:57:13 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: personalaccts
June 29, 2010|By Johanna Neuman, Special to the Los Angeles Times

"Robert Carlyle Byrd, the West Virginia Democrat who was often called the conscience of the Senate for his devotion to the system of constitutional checks and balances and the prerogatives of power, died early Monday. He was 92. Source

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[Robert Byrd] "was the longest-serving senator and the longest-serving member in the history of the United States Congress."

"In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision —a jejune and immature outlook—seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions." Source

9 posted on 07/16/2011 3:58:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

After zero’s antics the last few years this association actually could help him in many voters eyes.....


10 posted on 07/16/2011 3:58:21 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: truthfreedom

You’re a TROLL.


11 posted on 07/16/2011 3:59:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And by the way, you aren’t going to have a political consultant standing on stage with you. You’ll have other Republicans. Your article doesn’t say they personally switched him.

I have Rove’s direct words in his autobiography.

You have who is standing on the stage.

I’m mentioning this because one of Perry’s minions is questioning my facts.


12 posted on 07/16/2011 4:00:54 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

If so, that would make Rick Perry the new “teflon” president.


13 posted on 07/16/2011 4:01:10 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: truthfreedom

Troll,

You have Karl Rove promoting Karl Rove.

Karl Rove is a talking head on Fox News like Dick Morris.

Get a life.

Move on.


14 posted on 07/16/2011 4:02:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry’s minions are trying to spread lies. I honestly don’t want to read your lies. I just want to put good, solid fact down there.

Fact: Rove took credit in his autobiography for changing Perry to Republican.


15 posted on 07/16/2011 4:03:24 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How about you limit yourself, personally, to posting one Perry thread a day. Just one a day? Do you think you too, could “get a life”. You too, could “move on” from your endless barrage of All Perry All The Time.

It takes a lot less time to post good facts that I have than it takes you to find this stuff, unless you have a complicated system.


16 posted on 07/16/2011 4:07:13 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You’re a TROLL

And I still think you are a political operative for the Perry campaign.

17 posted on 07/16/2011 4:13:49 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I will add though, and I brought this up in other forums in 2000, that algores’s ancestors were confederates and owned slaves too. Funny, Salon didn’t pick up on that.


18 posted on 07/16/2011 4:15:50 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
There is nothing wrong with being a Son's of Confederate Veterans member. There nothing wrong with considering secession as a viable means of political autonomy. It is the Neo Yankee statists on Free Republic that think differently, and make the first Civil War a racial dispute it was "all about slavery". That silly mantra is reconstructed history. This demonstrates the total lack of historical knowledge there is even on good ole FR.

I have a Confederate flag flying at my house, does that make me an un-American racist?

19 posted on 07/16/2011 4:16:56 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: truthfreedom; catfish1957

I don’t recall seeing you two on the Sarah Palin threads I posted for so long.

I don’t recall any complaints from you two (and a few others who know who they are) when I posted Sarah Palin threads.

But now that I’m posting information on Rick Perry, you’re all a flutter and trolling my threads, calling me an “operative for the Perry campaign.”

I am not working for any campaign or political party or committee.

What’s next? You need to know my color? My religion? My bra size?


20 posted on 07/16/2011 4:20:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: central_va
.....I have a Confederate flag flying at my house, does that make me an un-American racist?

It does to the race baiting, poverty pimps and their handmaidens in the MSM.

21 posted on 07/16/2011 4:21:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
FReepers are ALL OVER the MSM lies and propagit. That is yet another answer to the question

What is the value of Free Republic?

Click the link for more answers.

22 posted on 07/16/2011 4:24:45 AM PDT by don-o (Abolish FReepathons. Be a monthly donor.)
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To: tal hajus

I recall a Lady who had committed capital crimes while under the influence of drugs-and a culture that encouraged excess.
On death row she appears to have had actual prison conversion.And once the drugs ceased to govern her thought —and she became a new creation she did not fight her sentenced death.Her story was broadcast by such as the 700 Club(Pat Robertson) and Focus on the Family(James Dobson) IMO hers was the exception to the general rule governing prison conversions.SO I agree with talhajus


23 posted on 07/16/2011 4:26:59 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: truthfreedom

Perry’s best friend is a political consultant? What’s the story on this David Weeks?


24 posted on 07/16/2011 4:28:42 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The problem with America is now and always has been New England Yankees. They should be purged.


25 posted on 07/16/2011 4:30:35 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Flash mobs are trickle down leftwing REDISTRIBUTION))
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To: truthfreedom
How about you limit yourself, personally, to posting one Perry thread a day. Just one a day? ....

Are you recommending this to all FReepers who are posting Perry threads, links and information on FR?

You're going to be very busy.

26 posted on 07/16/2011 4:31:19 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It does to the race baiting, poverty pimps and their handmaidens in the MSM.

So what, you need to get over it and quit playing into their hands. A lot of my neighbors have Confederate Flags we're all racists? It's you that has the problem.

US Route 1 in Virginia is named Jefferson Davis Highway is that racist too? We have a high school near here that has black students and God forbid it is named Lee-Jackson High School! OMG! /sarc

27 posted on 07/16/2011 4:31:56 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What the hell? I’m a Daughter of the Confederacy/Texas...and have a certificate to prove it...it’s just an acknowledgement of your lineage in a heritage association. We protect the history, preserve documents, like a collection of letters sent from our great, greats who served. Even if Perry is a Son of the Confederacy, what is it to these bast***rds...Are we supposed to pretend that Lincoln didn’t come down here and illegally commit war on a sovereign country that seceded from the over-reaching government in Washington, DC? lol


28 posted on 07/16/2011 4:33:57 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RowdyFFC

Sometimes I am ashamed to be a Freeper, this is one of those times.


29 posted on 07/16/2011 4:35:37 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Reading a different post— by the Avalon project-on the
Continental Congress—and the 3/5ths rule. It seems clear
from the forming of our Constitution - past the questionable
passage of the 14th Amendment following the Civil War—to this present discourse there has been a deep seated animus /hostility manifest between the Yankee politicians and those from the South. The one instance where I find myself agreeing with the dam Yankees is in recognition that the solid southern Democrat seemed to foster such anti-social secret societies like the Ku Klux Klan-And tend to focus on the divisive. Where I am conflicted is when I consider how much this I agree with is reflected in the entire deep seated animus by too many Americans for the South —For there is much in Southern culture to laud that is not seen
in the Yankee Carpetbagger.


30 posted on 07/16/2011 4:37:00 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
That sort of thing helped Jim Webb, a former Republican, get elected as a Democrat senator from Virginia.

Jim is retiring this term so we hope to get a real human being in next time ~ and preferably someone who has ALWAYS been elected as a Republican.

NO MORE RINOS IN VIRGINIA.

31 posted on 07/16/2011 4:50:56 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: StonyBurk
Oh yeah the KKK never organized above the Mason-Dixon line....

The Indiana Klan

32 posted on 07/16/2011 4:51:47 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: bert

There are plenty of liberals elsewhere, as well.


33 posted on 07/16/2011 4:59:57 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: central_va
Our local LEE HIGH SCHOOL is mostly Korean!

Bet our SAT math scores are much higher than yours (Bwahahahahahaha!)

34 posted on 07/16/2011 5:00:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: central_va

Why do you feel it is necessary to “school” me on the mainstream media?

I am not “playing into their hands.”

I am getting in their face.


35 posted on 07/16/2011 5:04:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Well, really, just the people who start the threads. You, smoothsailing are 2 that I can think of. You might have some new ones. I don’t know how the Perry organization works.


36 posted on 07/16/2011 5:04:51 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: central_va

I have read articles that Lenewaee County in Michigan was home to several KKK. I have a collection of Jackson (Michigan) Patriot papaers wherein there were ads nearly every week for the KKK to have picnics in the park complete with games and prizes.


37 posted on 07/16/2011 5:05:34 AM PDT by healy61
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To: truthfreedom
Well, really, just the people who start the threads. You, smoothsailing are 2 that I can think of. You might have some new ones. I don’t know how the Perry organization works.

This is how I work.

38 posted on 07/16/2011 5:08:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RegulatorCountry

This was in 1988 or 1989. I don’t have any clue about David Weeks. The David Weeks story doesn’t seem that interesting.
Because the already known stuff (Karl Rove) is as bad as you can get. Bilderberg is as bad as you can get.

Some people have “never vote for a Bilderberg” as a rule, and have for years.

And some people have “never vote for a Rove candidate” after what he did to Christine.

And Perry is both.


39 posted on 07/16/2011 5:10:10 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Well I didn’t read that closely, but if you’re saying “yay, Palin, so am I”. I’m with you on that.


40 posted on 07/16/2011 5:12:15 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: central_va

Kinda reminds me of the myth that the south was totally invested in the Civil War to preserve slavery...so many like to pretend that three years into the war when Lincoln was having a hard time getting recruits to fight it and soldiers were trickling home, Lincoln decided he needed a grand ideological and noble cause. So he created the great Emancipation Proclamation declaring the slaves in the South free...but wait...the five slave-holding states in the North were exempted and those slaves weren’t free men...and therefore we get the myth that the Civil War was fought to free the slaves. By the way they like to forget that the great Emancipation Declaration didn’t free anybody, because the president doesn’t have the authority to make law, only legislators can do that.


41 posted on 07/16/2011 5:12:24 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: bert

Good humor bert.

Check out one of the comments following the “Salon exclusive story”

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[quoting comment at Salon:] “I support the League of the South - And I’m serious. At this point in the country’s history, I find the southeastern United States to be a constant drag on the culture of the country. They lag in every development indicator; they take more federal dollars than they give (while decrying federal spending); and as a whole support and represent some of the most reprehensible views in modern society.

Yes, please take your backwater and let the rest of the country get on with building a civilized nation that doesn’t prize stupidity as anti-elitism (whatever that means).” [end quote of comment at Salon]


42 posted on 07/16/2011 5:12:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: truthfreedom
Well I didn’t read that closely, but if you’re saying “yay, Palin, so am I”. I’m with you on that.

So Troll,

Tell me again how I'm working for the Perry campaign or a PerryBOT?

I posted a LOT more of those pro-Palin threads when you have time to "read closely."

43 posted on 07/16/2011 5:19:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RowdyFFC

The Emancipation Proclamation was more of a testament to the effectiveness of Gen. Robt. E. Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia than anything else.


44 posted on 07/16/2011 5:20:18 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Check the genesis of the Klan. It originated with the South
as a means by a Democrat to keep the blacks from going to the Republican Party.


45 posted on 07/16/2011 5:36:39 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: truthfreedom

Many gay conservatives (fiscal at least) find a home behind the scenes as consultants. I was wondering if that was a possible source of the rumors, that friendship.


46 posted on 07/16/2011 5:36:53 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: truthfreedom
Rove did quite a few "conversions" ~ I really don't hold any of his conversos responsible for Rove's involvement.

On the other hand, if you ever got elected as a Democrat to public office YOU CAN NEVER BE A REAL REPUBLICAN.

And that applies no matter how Conservative you claim to be today.

They have their litmus tests ~ just like the Made Men of the Mafia. You want to run for office as a Democrat you have to lie about and brutalize a Republican candidate at least once.

In an earlier time they actually assassinated Republican candidates in the Souf' ~ 30,000 of them in fact.

These are unforgivable deaths, and those who dipped their spears in the blood, albeit 20 or 30 years later, must not be allowed anymore to darken our halls.

NO MORE RINOS.

47 posted on 07/16/2011 5:36:53 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: truthfreedom

Oh blah, blah, blah, Perry’s a Bilderberger, Palin’s a Bilderberger, all conservatives are racist white supremecists who want to kill off grandma and grandpa throwing them over the cliff in a wheelchair. Perry and Palin are both insane Christians. Palin is for Unions, Perry promotes Amnesty, Perry’s in fact a democrat even though he’s been pushing conservative issues even when he WAS in fact a democrat, Romney leads in all the polls, Ron Paul is a crazy nutjob...and on and on and on...we’re going to hear every lie imaginable during this election cycle, and we’re ALL going to have to be on tap to dispute them, just like in this article.

The POINT of this article was to point out the insanity of the liberal babble-heads in the media. They are crackhead adolescents who will promote any lie and twist and distort WORDS for the benefit of the commiecrats, while trying to ignore the fact that the democratic party no longer exists in our government because the CPUSA hijacked it.

And you’d better get used to the fact that if I want to put up an article disputing lies about my Governor, I will do it. And so should anybody else that finds one.


48 posted on 07/16/2011 5:38:06 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; bert

Why are we discussing a SALON story. They are always an untrustworthy source.


49 posted on 07/16/2011 5:43:00 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: catfish1957

She was # 1 source on the Wisconsin goings-on, Prosser, etc. She’s no Johnny one note.


50 posted on 07/16/2011 5:48:39 AM PDT by gusopol3
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