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Rick Perry's Confederate past [Salon "exclusive" that gets it wrong]
Salon ^ | July 13, 2011 | Justin Elliott

Posted on 07/16/2011 2:50:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Tex-Con-Man

I’m saying that if Ron Paul is there at the end, with a ton of delegates, it would be natural for Palin, at the top of the ticket, to take the #2 person.

Palin has already had the number 2 slot. She shouldn’t be a number 2 to Perry.


121 posted on 07/16/2011 10:30:57 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: muawiyah
Well, good, I see now your brush has a point on it after all.

And I agree with you in general about what the democrats, or some of them, used to be.

The biggest change, politically, over this past generation, is that, for all practical purposes, the Republican party is now the Conservative party, and the democrats are the socialist party. To that end, you are right—we do not need Republicans In Name Only in our conservative party, because, well, they are not conservatives.

However, if there are conservatives remaining in the democrat party or more importantly if some in the democrat party or who support it have a change of faith, epiphany, call it what you will, and realize that the conservative mindset is correct—what the American experiment is all about, frankly; then I encourage them, welcome then, and applaud them.

We want and NEED them. Ours is an ideological struggle where, if we think our cause is right, we must prevail. People putting on their right thinking minds will find us, and we should give them refuge.

122 posted on 07/16/2011 10:31:23 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

sure. you coulda found it yourself just by hitting “in forum” and looking at my posts. Most of the stuff you found is from today. I like Ron Paul and Sarah Palin. I’d vote for Bachmann before the rest of them because I think she’d be the better President than the rest of them, although I think she’d be creamed. And I really really really don’t like Perry.

But it’s a rare thread that I’ll jump on and participate. Just drop my truth down there.


123 posted on 07/16/2011 10:34:10 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Keep up the good work; it gives me time to get the grass cut.


124 posted on 07/16/2011 10:39:31 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And you choose to blast me for it.

I'm not blasting you. You would know it if I were.

I will know that from now on that any time you post a thread, it won't be for the purpose of information or grown up discussion, but it's to start another pissing contest with those that don't agree with you.

125 posted on 07/16/2011 10:56:44 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: truthfreedom
sure. you coulda found it yourself just by hitting “in forum” ....

I don't stalk other FReepers.

126 posted on 07/16/2011 10:57:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: submarinerswife
I will know that from now on that any time you post a thread, it won't be for the purpose of information or grown up discussion, but it's to start another pissing contest with those that don't agree with you.

Then you don't know my posting history or my temperament but it hasn't stopped you from stepping in and telling me how to behave on my own thread while being hounded by a troll.

127 posted on 07/16/2011 11:00:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You are hopeless. LOL I’m done with you.


128 posted on 07/16/2011 11:01:33 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: vetvetdoug

I love to read Civil War stuff. I’m sure you’ve read The Killer Angels.


129 posted on 07/16/2011 11:14:23 AM PDT by Texan
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To: gusopol3
Keep up the good work; it gives me time to get the grass cut.

Hahahaha, I just came in from doing exactly that. It's HOT down here folks. Don't come to Texas. :-)

130 posted on 07/16/2011 11:18:55 AM PDT by Texan
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To: submarinerswife

Your troll detector is busted...get a new one.


131 posted on 07/16/2011 11:20:05 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: truthfreedom
And I really really really don’t like Perry.

You "really" don't?

Don't take offense, I'm just havin' a little fun. (Maybe it's the hot Texas sun :-)

132 posted on 07/16/2011 11:24:03 AM PDT by Texan
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To: truthfreedom
I’m mentioning this because one of Perry’s minions is questioning my facts.

Are you talking about ME again? Wow! I'm moving up in the world.....from just an ordinary reader/responder on FR to a "minion".

(Do "minions" get paid? What exactly IS a "minion" :-)

But seriously, truthfreedom, why (to you) is every question a "challenge" and every questioner a "minion". Are you just naturally a hostile person?

133 posted on 07/16/2011 12:06:40 PM PDT by Texan
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To: muawiyah

And I guess if you’ve ever been a non-believer, you can never be a real Christian.


134 posted on 07/16/2011 2:06:45 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Politics and Religion are handled differently.

I think I made the point earlier that Democrat politicians are like the Made Men in the Mafia. They had to HURT a Republican to get that status.

You don't have to HURT anybody to become, for example, a Christian.

I think that's an enormous difference that should not be overlooked.

135 posted on 07/16/2011 2:08:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

It’s fun on a web site like this to use hard-cast stereotypes — it makes you popular, and you don’t have to think.

But seriously? You think that every single politician has to win an election by lying about their opponent? That there are no honest disagreements, that there are no reasonable people who happen to come to the wrong conclusions, or who can figure out they made a mistake?

If Perry lied about a republican in order to win an election, post it. Don’t just make a blanket statement and expect people with brains to accept it without question, just because it fits the absurd stereotype.

I grew up in a highly democratic state, Maryland; everybody was a democrat, because that was where you won elections. There were very good men who were democrats, principled people that good conservatives like my father could support, over their liberal counterparts in the party.

I have no idea what kind of democrat Perry was; that’s a legitimate discussion to have. I’m not going to assume that because he was a democrat in the 80s, that he was evil.

BTW, Paul put Christians to death, and then he became one. I agree that politics and religion are different; but it is clearly the case that people who caused great physical and mental harm to Christians later were Christians, and even leaders.

Ronald Reagan was the president of a UNION. I’m sure that if you went into a random thread about unions, and said that anybody who worked their way up to the head of a union had to be a thug at some point, or as you said, like the “Made Men”, everybody would pat you on the back for your “insightful” comments.


136 posted on 07/16/2011 3:15:18 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Do you imagine people lose elections and it doesn't hurt?

Did I say anything about lying?

In Partisan Politics it is fair to deal in absolutes ~ as in, in this election, we will have Republicans and we will have Democrats. There may be some minor candidates and though they may be fine people, and probably absolutely correct ~ they are going to be losers.

We have quite enough of our own Republican politicians that we really don't need to borrow them from the Democrats anymore.

137 posted on 07/16/2011 4:04:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CharlesWayneCT
BTW, my own grandfather was a national union president. He also had a job where he was required to carry a gun.

Years later, long after he was retired and actually declining, he and my grandmother foiled an armed robber and took away his gun ~ that's because he knew, and she knew what to do.

I even have a pen here that Roosevelt used to sign his first federal employee pay raise ~ YEARS LATER ~ Roosevelt didn't give raises you know!

Now, was he a thug? Well, he lived across the alley from John Dillinger's dad ~ Hmm?

What do you think?

138 posted on 07/16/2011 4:08:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The whole secession thing is a lie drummed up by the media and it looks like Salon is trying to make a lot more out of it than necessary - Perry never ever supported secession:

http://governor.state.tx.us/news/editorial/12389/

I can’t say I was surprised that critics worked so hard to recast my defense of federalism and fiscal discipline into advocacy for secession from the Union. Of course, I have never advocated for secession and never will.
139 posted on 07/16/2011 5:52:32 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: muawiyah
Did I say anything about lying?

Back in post 47, where this subthread started, you said:

They have their litmus tests ~ just like the Made Men of the Mafia. You want to run for office as a Democrat you have to lie about and brutalize a Republican candidate at least once.
Yes, later you said "hurt", but you also said "lie" and "brutalize".

I would agree about "borrowing" democrats; however, when a guy has been a republican for 20+ years, and has a long record as a republican in office, it's not "borrowing a democrat" anymore.

140 posted on 07/16/2011 5:52:49 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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