Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

ap ^ | Jul 17, 2011 | BRUCE SCHREINER

[george76]

Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Sunday that communities have a right to ban Islamic mosques.

Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," the former Godfather's Pizza CEO said protests and legal challenges to a planned mosque in Tennessee city are an example of local residents pushing back.

Cain said his view doesn't amount to religious discrimination because he says Muslims are trying to inject Shariah law into the U.S.

[fabian]

Of course they do! And that entire false religion is an enemy of our freedom according to it’s teachings. Get the hell out of America....or convert to christianity or judaism..we are at war here!

[fabian]

No we do not separate church and state. We simply do not mandate a federal religion. Islam mandates a false religion which they think is real!

[Blue Ink]

“One could say that about any major religion.”

Oh, stop it. Unlike Mohammed, Jesus didn’t advocate any particular form of government.

Neither does Christianity.

[drpix]

Post # 17 makes it clear: LINK

[cripplecreek]

If NAMBLA was building a headquarters in my little town they would be made to feel so uncomfortable that they would want to leave.

As it is we irritate the Ann Arbor transplants into submission or flight.

[Christian Engineer Mass]

the "Church of England" included an oath of political allegiance to the King in their "religion" and their clergy were not only required to take that oath, but also required to lead the congregation in the same oath at all church services.

Our founding fathers would have none of that and the Church of England congregations that would not change their religion to reflect republican values (becoming the Episcopal Church) were forced to flee the country.

I agree. China thinks the same about the Catholic church. They see the Vatican as a nation state, and so adherants to Catholicism have mixed allegiences. Some might disagree, but it's not a point they can dismiss out of hand.

But over time, Catholics have shown the way they live their lives to be generally concordant with America, and the mixed allegience has not generally mattered. Certainly it's not like Islam, which is 180 degrees opposed to America.

But from time to time it does matter. For example the Vatican has an open borders policy for the US, because most Mexicans are Catholic, they see more Mexicans coming to the US as good for their power.

Catholics on FR, in general, appear to oppose this policy. Which is great! But certainly the bulk of the Catholic infrastructure in the US supports it. Shouldn't one ask why we ignore that?

[fabian]

Yes, to hell with politically correct. let’s correctly save our country from communists intent on taking us totally over and islamist whackos.

[Windflier]

That’s a mighty powerful statement. Good on Herman for having the guts to say it.

[drpix]

China's objection to the Catholic Church is that it wants the Chinese state to appoint the clergy and control the religion. Unlike in some Muslim countries the Catholic Church does not make appointments to political positions and reciprocally will not allow political states to make appointments to their clerical positions.

As for the Border issue, the Catholic Church is far from the only church advancing the wrongheaded open borders position.

[Grut]

It doesn't matter if the local Muslims are talking up Sharia and the Ummah or whatever, they still have a constitutional right to peaceably assemble to do it. And while a building permit can be denied to any religious group for any neutral reason, it can't be denied because the town fathers don't like them. That's all settled law, and Cain is just making a fool of himself if he's saying differently.

[RedMDer]

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[Christian Engineer Mass]

“China’s objection to the Catholic Church is that it wants the Chinese state to appoint the clergy and control the religion.”

Come on now, read that again - it doesn’t make any sense. That’s not their objection, that’s their action; what they do.

Sure, liberal “churches” which don’t believe the Bible, don’t believe in anything like the virgin birth, that Jesus is coming again, etc. (ie. they are not by any reasonable definition Christians) also push open borders out of their leftism. I wasn’t using that as the premise, I was using it as an example of mixed allegience.

I would agree that leftists have mixed allegience also, but it’s a lot harder to pin down. It’s more about psychology today, with the leftists. Their other allegience is kind of their tribe, something which doesn’t exist in any place, although if you push many leftists you will find a soft spot for the traditional anti-US countries.

[skinkinthegrass]

here is something from 2008, explains a great deal......
Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat..
Frontline ^ | Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 from engrpat
Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.
Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called "religious rights."

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to "the reasonable" Muslim demands for their "religious rights," they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)). As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings). Any non- Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).

[Christian Engineer Mass]

No they don’t. See post 17 for a counter example.

Don’t be fooled into thinking the constitution is a suicide pact.

[Christian Engineer Mass]

“United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%”

I don’t believe it’s that low. I’ve seen it there. It seems like more than 1 in 37.

[jwalsh07]

No they don’t. See post 17 for a counter example.

Post 17 doesn't obtain since Muslims do not swear allegiance to other countries as a religious requirement.

Herman Cain is wrong absent a zoning problem. If the thinks majorities can snub out religions or speech he's the wrong guy for the job.

[Dick Bachert]

YOU GO, HERMAN!
The more I hear from Herman, the more I like him.

[NurdlyPeon]

Adoption of the Muslim "faith" (more like Borg allegiance) is anathema to the American creed. one must adopt one or the other.

You know, I wonder if Gene Roddenberry might have been more visionary than we thought. In the original Star Trek, the Fereration represented America, while the Klingons probably were the Russians. The Romulans would be the Chinese, I imagine. Now. Let's see. The Muslims? Who shall we have represent the Muslims? Amazing the way that a Borg cube looks so much like that big black thing in Mecca, huh? Just sayin'.

[Cheetahcat]

Him and West Both get it,I have yet to hear that from Willard,or the rest of them!

[GOPJ]

Islam is a tight combination of religion and politics. We have the right to ban it on that basis... If Hitler had included the concept of a God that only backed German Nazi ideas, I doubt the people who fought World War II would have let them open 'Nazi churches' here...

Maybe there's a compromise...if IF and that's a BiG "IF" they are willing to separate out their 'religious' beliefs from the crazy political stuff - and absolutely NO war talk in the mosque - no killing talk - no " I speak for Allah" stuff - then it would be OK. But as it is now they should NOT be granted religious standing for what is primarily a paramilitary operation functioning under the guise of religion.