Posted on 07/18/2011 6:22:42 PM PDT by no dems
“It only took until the 5th reply (post 6) to claim Rubio isn’t eligible.”
It only took until the 1st reply to disregard and disrespect the U.S. Constitution by wrongfully claiming “Rubio” is eligible.
I agree with everything you said, except that I don’t think that they “unleashed” her. No ridicule of the Communist Fraud was permitted, and she had to talk about silly things such as “predatory lenders”. McCain’s incompetent team had to approve every word that Sarah spoke. THIS TIME will be ALL SARAH, ALL THE TIME!! Bob
I hope that all those people exercised about Rubio’s eligibility will not waste one second discussing doubts UNTIL the Kenyan is driven from office. Bob
We would not be suffering from most of these problems if the voters and their representatives in Congress respected the Constitution and obeyed its limitations on eligibility to the Office of the President (POTUS), the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS), Congress, and Powers reserved to the States and individual citizens. Promoting the eligibility of Marco Rubio, George Romney, Chester Arthur, and others only aids and abets the domestic enemies of the U.S. Constitution who seek to destroy it by falsely undermining it with misrepesentations of the powers it conveys.
What you propose is to destroy the Republic by nullifying the powers which sustains the powers of the Citizens who constitute the Republic. What you propose is another compromising step towards the implementation of a mob sustained dictatorship.
No Sir, I want the guy who will allow our nominee to accrue the highest vote total, so we can win and save the country and our Constitution. If the Punk wins again, it’s over. I can’t imagine why a Rubio VP or Presidency will help bring down our Constitution after what we’ve been through with the Rapist and the Communist.
If it was generally accepted that the Constitution means what it says and Marco Rubio is not eligible for the Office of the President, then it also follows that Barack Hussein Obama is also not eligible for the Office of the President. If it was generally accepted that Barack Hussein Obama was not eligible for the Office of the President when he was proposed as a candidate, then he would not have been a candidate in the election, and he could not have been unlawfully sworn in to the Office of the President by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States. In such case, there would now have been no need to remove him from office by Congressional act or by a Presidential election in 2012. Any person who promotes the acceptance of unqualified candidates for the Office of the President from any political party whatsoever effectively nullifies the U.S. Constitution and its authority to limit the unlawful exercise of political power by any political party.
This business of constantly compromising and eroding the Constitutional limitations upon the exercise of political powers reserved by the Constitution to the States and individual citizens simply for the sake of political expediency is what got us into the current predicament with the economy and disenfranchised Citizens. The people who cannot and will not live by the letter and spirit of the Constitution and the principles of the Founding Fathers who wrote it are what lends false legitimacy to the Democrats, socialist, and communists who seek to abuse the Constitutional powers for the purpose of forever destroying its limitations upon political powers. Promoting the acceptance of ineligible candidates without an appropriate amendment to the Constitution only helps to destroy the authority of the Constitution and its effectiveness in safeguarding individual rights and liberties. In other words, you cannot expect to defend something by first destroying it and its very meaning and purpose for existence.
I don’t agree that it is “generally accepted” that Marco is ineligible. Mark Levin agrees with me, not that he can never be wrong. It’s just so much more important to me that people focus on the Punk’s disastrous regime now. You can’t speak of the eligibility question without bringing up BHO first. Why aren’t all concerned fighting the fight against the Manchurian’s disqualification first?
On the contrary, SCOTUS has commented that naturalized U.S. citizens are not natural born U.S. citizens, and it has commented that a person born in the United States with two citizen parents are without a doubt a natural born U.S. citizen. SCOTUS further commented that a person born in the United States without two U.S. citizen parents doubt leaves the question of natural born U.S. citizenship in doubt. Consequently, the natural born U.S. citizenship of any person born in the United States whose parents at the time of birth were not U.S. citizens is at best in doubt and at worst not natural born. There are no Supreme Court decisions which affirm natural born citizenship for a person with parents having one or both parents with foreign citizenship.
In the absence of a SCOTUS decision to the contrary or an amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the plain meaning of the clause; the purpose asserted by the first Chief Justice and designer of the clause, John Jay; and customary law and practice in the 12th to 18th Centuries, the phrase, natural born citizen, is a person who parents were subjects owing allegiance to the sovereign at the time of birth.
The Constitutional convention suggests that what they were concerned about was preventing foreigners who later became citizens from becoming President. There is a quote by Alexander Hamilton suggesting as much.
The natural born citizen clause was recommended by John Jay for the purpose of limiting eligibility to serve in the Office of the President to only those persons born after the adoption of the Constitution as U.S. citizens without any allegiances past or present to any other sovereign but the United States of America.
Both of Andrew Jackson’s parents were born in Ireland. I don’t think they went through any formal naturalization procedures.
Andrew Jackson was born on 15 March 1767 in the Carolinas immediately following the death of his Irish born father and well before the 1787 adoption of the Constitution. Andrew Jackson volunteered at 13 years of age to serve in the militia for the United States, was captured along with a brother, and was nearly starved to death in British captivity. His Irish born mother and brothers all died in the war. Andrew Jackson was eligible to serve in the Office of the President in accordance with the Constitution on the basis that he was a native born citizen of South Carolina (or North Carolina), was a U.S. military veteran of the Revolutionary War, and a Citizen of the United States of America before the adoption of the Constitution on 17 September 1787. The same clause as the natural born citizen requirement also explicitly exempted any person who was a U.S. citizen upon the adoption of the constitution on 17 September 1787.
My suspicion is that the Supreme Court would rule that if you were born a citizen, and not naturalized, then you’re a natural born citizen. I doubt they are going to rule that it matters whether your parents were citizens at the time, unless you were born outside the US, or you yourself are not a citizen. Rubio was born in Miami, and he is clearly a citizen.
Any member/s of the Supreme Court of the United States can be impeached from office for high crimes and misdemeanors, including any deliberate refusals to honor the clear wording of the Constitution. The voters have the right to elect U.S. Senators, U.S. Congressmen, and state legislatures who will hold the members of the Supreme Court of the U.S. and the Office of the President accountable for compliance with the Constitution. It is ultimately up to the Citizens of the United States to exercise responsibility for the actions and inactions of their representatives in the U.S. Government and the state governments. It is also the responsibility of the Citizens to prevent vote fraud upon the elections of these representatives. The Buck does not stop with the President. A legitimate President is not a monarch or a dictator. He is a servant, and the Buck stops with each and every Citizen. There is accountability only when the Citizens demand it and effectively secure it for their own posterity and the posterity of their descendants.
You misrepresent what I wrote. I did not write that "it is generally accepted...." I wrote "IF it WAS generally accepted" meaning, of course that it is not generally accepted at all. In other words, I was pointing out to you that the Obama Administration could not have come into existence in the first place without people like yourself making excuses why they can be complicit in allowing it to happen without political resistance. If people like yourself had not allowed it to happen, there would be no Obama Administration and no need to remove it from office.
Now you want to make excuses why you should be allowed to put another unqualified candidate in the office in complete illegal disregard for the Constitution, as if illegal means justifies the illegal ends.
If and when Marco Rubio fails to step forward and defend the U.S. Constitution with his public acknowledgment of his ineligibility for the Office of the President and allows this speculation of candidacy to continue, he is only demonstrating his lack of qualifications to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC, as required by the oath of office. Such a service to the Republic is a pitifully small sacrifice to make when compared to the pain, suffering, torture, dismemberment, and death so many military veterans have sacrificed to protect and defend this same Constitution for the benefit of all U.S. Citizens and U.S. Nationals.
If you cannot trust Marco Rubio to hold himself accountable to the Constitution, you certainly cannot trust him to be accountable to the Citizens with respect to any other powers limited by the U.S. Constitution.
If you cannot trust Marco Rubio's promoters to hold themselves accountable to the Constitution, you certainly cannot trust them to be accountable to the other Citizens with respect to any other powers limited by the U.S. Constitution. In the aftermath of the Revolutionary War, many of the officers and men of the Continental Army clamored for him to accept their offer to appoint him the King of the United States because of the failures by the Continental Congress during the war. George Washington refused to do so, and rebuked his followers for suggesting it. Marco Rubio and his followers only need to consult U.S. history to find a proper example to emulate.
I am sorry about the misquote, but yes, I do trust Marco Rubio to uphold our Constitution. He and Sarah are two of the few whom I do trust. I believe that we need a Palin/Rubio ticket to crush the Communists. It comes down to this for me: Even if I DID believe that Rubio is ineligible (I do not.), victory is imperative in ‘12, or there will be nothing left to protect in the great document. These bastards will have us all fighting for scraps of bread before he’s through. And that might not be until he’s laying on a slab, decades from now.
Forgive my ignorance but what is this “swamp fever” I hear so much about?
Swamp Fever is the D.C. disease. Your newly elected, good hearted, conservative citizen legislator goes to Washington with all the intentions in the world of making a difference. He gets there and it's not what he expected. He's constantly bombarded by lobbyists, staffers, reporters and fellow legislators. He can't get anything done. No one will pass any conservative legislation. The only way to get anything passed is by compromise. So someone explains it all to you. Make a deal here, reword stuff there and finally something you wanted gets done. But you had to agree to things you don't like and never wanted. That's THE PROCESS.
Also, you have to start running for reelection from the day you arrive. Don't say anything controversial - it'll be used against you. "No, no. That's not what I meant. Social Security is a good program. We would never change it." You also need cash, and that means lobbyists. They all want stuff - but just little stuff - change a few words here, support an amendment there. If you don't get cash you can't get reelected, then someone worse will be in your seat. You're doing the right thing for your constituents. So you compromise, but only for the good of the little guy. That's THE GAME.
On the bright side you start to get attention. Party invites, junkets, interviews - everyone wants to see you. And everyone has an opinion. That nice Senator that introduced you to all those great people wants your support for a pet project of his. You like the parties. You don't want to offend your host. And man, it feels great when someone says "you looked good on TV Sunday morning" or "I read that great column about you in the Post". That's THE ESTABLISHMENT.
Swamp Fever. Sooner or later they all get it.
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