Skip to comments.New Documents in Fort Hood Shooting Case Raise Concerns About Prosecution's Handling of Evidence
Posted on 07/18/2011 8:05:35 PM PDT by Hunton Peck
A new filing in the Fort Hood case shows that a key White House Intelligence report on the Fort Hood Shooting in November 2009 is still being withheld from the defense. The Army also admits it does not have all of the emails exchanged between the accused shooter Maj. Nidal Hasan and the first American on the CIAs kill or capture list, Anwar al-Awlaki.
The documents, filed on July 14 as part of the Fort Hood prosecution, state:
Trial counsels (Army lawyers) have produced all electronic communication in their possession between the Accused and Anwar al-Awlaki. On information and belief, trials counsels do not believe they possess all electronic communications between the Accused and the individuals (al-Awlaki.)
Hasans defense lawyer, John Galligan, says he was given nine emails by the military as part of the discovery process. Yet, sources who have reviewed the email exchange between Hasan and Awlaki which began in December 2008 tell Fox News there are at least 18 emails.
Characterization of the emails exchanged between the accused Fort Hood shooter and the cleric range from benign to clearly concerning in tone. In one email, Hasan reportedly asked if it was okay to kill Americans though U.S. officials will not comment publicly on the accuracy of those reports or the contents of the emails.
Yet, some former intelligence officials say the mere contact between Hasan and Awlaki an American citizen who leads the new breed of Digital Jihadists who spread their ideology of hate through the web should have prompted immediate action. Fox News investigative unit, in its special Secrets of 9/11, has shown that Awlakis contact with three of the 9/11 hijackers was not a series of coincidences but rather evidence of a purposeful relationship.
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If the Prosecution has not yet attempted to interview the Washington Post investigative reporters who used Hassan as a source back in the Walter Reed scandal, and then done a search on the internet to find “leftwing noise” regarding someone at Walter Reed who thought many of the psychological care crowd should be tried for warcrimes (words right out of Hassan’s mouth), then the Prosecution has not yet even begun to plumb the depths of this case.
This murdering raghead is gonna walk once CAIR and their commie lib pals in the ‘RAT party go to work in the “media” with their “Islamophobia” bull****.
Screw the trial. They should just release him on the base and see how long he can survive without protection.
DO NOT let this POS get off on a technicality!
He should have faced a firing squad and been buried with pig entrails already!
Why would the JAG not honor the discovery process?
What an idiot.
Prosecutors in the military are always officers with superiors.
Apparently the emails were with held from the discovery process due to Classified information.
This will all get worked out, and Hassan will face justice.
The character of any man is defined by how he treats his mother as the years pass ... need I say more about this person below other than there is no character, no integrity but there is a ton of attitude and arrogance that defines his shallow past and hollow future ... I rest my case.
I bought and read Audacity of Hope. It was difficult to read considering his attitude toward us and everything American. Let me add a phrase he uses to describe his attitude toward whites.
He harbors a "COIL OF RAGE". His words not mine. THIS IS OUR PRESIDENT Is anyone out there awake?
Everyone of voting age should read these two books: Don't buy them, just get them free from a library.
>From Dreams From My Father:
"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."
>From Dreams From My Father:
"I found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."
>From Dreams From My Father:
"There was something about her that made me wary, a little too sure of myself, maybe and white."
>FromDreams From My Father:
"It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, tostrike out and name names."
>From Dreams From My Father:
"I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself: The attributers of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."
And FINALLY ...... and most scary:
>From Audacity of Hope:
"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
This is what we should expect from a Muslim pResident.
a post , a rope , five men with rifles , no blindfold
He will probably die from old age first.
I would not count on it. Inshalla
I think this is just a hiccup in the process.
Perhaps means and methods are at risk of compromise.
Six! Six men! *waving arms and shouting* ☺
Kind’a sounds like Hasan, OJ, and Casey could sign up for a threesome.
The swiftest path to justice for him would have been if our soldiers had been armed and able to return fire, of course. Failing that, I'm gonna stay a little less than absolutely confident that someone won't find a way to screw this up.
Gee! Bill Ayers can tell a weaving tale!
As I understand it, Harpu, no one on a military base is armed—that’s why he was able to kill so many. I never knew that before, I just assumed that at least the MP’s were armed.
It is crazy that our “armed forces” May not be armed on a military base.
I could be sitting in Shoepfes BBQ with a firearm but not on the base.
Not true. Soldiers on “guard duty” are carrying, but they are posted at the gates.
Then they had “civilian cops” on the base as well.
Of course you and I know that the reason we carry is because a cop wont fit in our pocket
On a submarine base, the topside watch would carry a 1911 and a rem 820 shotgun.
On the pier marines would have M16s and 1911s.
But there is no one inside the sub that is armed.
Like the base, it would be considered secured
Now the second a gunshot was heard, the master at arms would unlock the Amory and every SOB on the boat would be armed.
This can only be done due to the close proximity of the crew to the armory.
On a base, the size of Ft Hood, I am afraid there was no way to do that.
Do you or anyone else here think that the Ft Hood shootings will change the way things are done on Army bases to prevent another mass killing?
Surely someone in authority could come up with a better way to protect our troops.
Inject Helen Thomas with massive amounts of aphrodisiacs and lock him in a room with her.
I don’t think it will change.
You have less liberty as a soldier than as a civilian.
Have you been to Ft Hood?
Its farking huge! The only way to prevent this thing was for all the troops to be armed.
What are the odds that they have an armory at the Soldier Readiness Center, where personnel receive routine medical treatment immediately prior to and on return from deployment?
its like having an armory at the nurses office
I dont know what the answer is other than to allow our soldiers to carry on base.
We take a risk if we allow soldiers to be armed at a place that is for decompressing soldiers emotions, but we also take a risk in making that place gun free.
Hassan was a shrink. He picked and chose his target.
He deserves the worst
He mocked our sympathy and concern for troops that were on the edge.
The Soldier Readiness Center was supposed to be a safe understanding place.
Yes, I have been to Ft Hood twice in my life. I don’t live too far from there, as I’m in Lakeway, which is on Lake Travis, more or less a suburb of Austin.
We own a “ranch” between Lampassas and Ft Hood. I know the area quite well, but had never known that military bases don’t let their troops keep weapons. I was very naive in that respect. You just expect soldiers to be armed—LOL!
We had soldiers in that place that took immediate action with what they had. Their body’s.
If just 6 had been armed, Hassan would not have emptied one mag.
Nidal Hassan is an evil man, who picked his target very deliberately,He picked a “safe place”, I guarantee he shot that pregnant soldier on purpose, for maximum effect.
There are megarules for having personally owned guns on base. You usually have to keep it with some master at arms and check it out when you would like to go hunting or target shooting.
It really cant be done.
So you move off base and enjoy the rights of a civilian in that regard.
I used to keep my Galil and ammo in my truck when I was at Ft. Bragg. Actually pretty lucky it wasn’t stolen.
What continues to haunt me are the final words of the pregnant soldier who was being processed out
"My Baby My Baby".
I'd serve on the firing squad myself. If we still did it that way. But a fat old retired reservist would be way back in the line for that duty and privilege I'm afraid.
The MPs, the civil servant DoD police and the "rent a cop" gate guards, are armed. I've seen their guns. The MPs have M9s. The gate guards have something that looks like a Glock, could be a S&W "clone". Not sure what the civil service cops have.
Hassan was shot by one of the those DoD Civilian police, a rather large gentleman, after he shot the female one who was the first to shoot at him.
I had my knee replacement surgery in the same hospital that the female cop, and others, were taken to. I even had the same physical therapist as she did.
Close. But at Ft. Hood the gates are manned by civilian rent a cops. Their are both green suit MPs and Civilian Army/DoD cops that patrol inside the post, well also the housing areas that are outside the wire. I live only about 3/4 mile, straight out my driveway, from one of those.
But the gate guards, the MPs and the DoD police are all armed, with handguns at least. Never asked what they had in their cruisers. There might be "sensitive" areas with regular soliders on guard duty, but if so, i never saw it.
Now not long after 9-11, the Guards at the gates of Tinker AFB were armed with M-16s. They were mostly Army Guard and Reserve, with at least one AF Security police on hand. Back in the day, the SAC guards had nice nickle plated revolvers, and "silver" helmets too. :) Oh, and on some bases "War Wagons". Most especially bomber and missile bases. Had a buddy that was a Sky Copy in the Air Guard. He was armed with a 1911, whether patrolling the flight line or guarding the gate, or providing initial security at a crash site. Before 9-11, Ft. Hood,and Ft Riley, that I know of, were "open" posts. With only few restricted areas. That all changed. Apparently the changes were not geared to stopping doctors wearing oak leaves and carrying military ID.
Sure there is. Unit armories close to the troops living and working areas. Not perfect, many would be away for one reason or another. But good enough.
Actually they went the other way. There was talk of allowing CHL holders to have their weapons in their vehicles. That got squashed after Hassan's murderous rampage.
Of course in Texas, anyone can have a concealed handgun in their vehicle, provided they are traveling, and that means that the vehicle is going somewhere, even just down to the mail box. That's been in effect for some time now, with no increase in road rage shooting or any of the other predicted calamities. The Army could and should learn from that.
There are people for whom that is their duty station, many of them are military. They could have access to a small armory. Their "customers" would be SOL, but at least someone could have returned fire.
Unless by Obama’s orders they are trying to muck up the prosecution on purpose in order to let this pet Moose walk.
Really? The gates have renta cops?
I haven’t been there since 94/95
I’m not sure I was even paying attention.
When I was in the Navy in the 80s, even school commands had military on the gates and working commands used Marines.
As an Army brat in the 60s and 70s, there was always a small rifle rack with 5-6 hunting and target rifles and shotguns in the back of a closet in our quarters. I vaguely remember Dad having to register them, probably with the MPs, but they were definitely in our quarters.
"Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who
allegedly killed 11 people [count now 13, or 14 if you include the unborn child of the 21-year-old female soldier -etl] before being shot and wounded by police at Fort Hood, had said Muslims should "rise up" and attack Americans in retaliation for the US war in Iraq, a former army colleague said."
"He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we should not be in the war in the first place." He said that Major Hasan said he was "happy" when a US soldier was killed in an attack on a military recruitment centre in Arkansas in June. An American convert to Islam was accused of the shootings.
Col Lee alleged that other officers had told him that Major Hasan had said "maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Times Square" in New York."
"Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" before opening fire, said Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the base commander."
Back then you could order an M1 Garand as a 12 year old kid, and the postman would deliver it to you.
Things have changed, and not for the better.
This is what we should expect from a Muslim pResident.
Obama isn't a Muslim. He's a "Black Liberation" communist. Communists don't believe in any religion. They only pretend to when it serves their larger agenda. Commies suck up to the islamo-fascists only because both hate the United States.
Barack Obama received at least some instruction in the Islamic faith of his father and went with him to the mosque, but the importance of this experience is vastly overstated by conservative commentators who seek to portray Obama as a Muslim of sorts. Radical anti-Americanism, rather than Islam, was the reigning faith in the Dunham household. ...
Barack Obama is a clever fellow who imbibed hatred of America with his mother's milk, but worked his way up the elite ladder of education and career. He shares the resentment of Muslims against the encroachment of American culture, although not their religion. He has the empathetic skill set of an anthropologist who lives with his subjects, learns their language, and elicits their hopes and fears while remaining at emotional distance. That is, he is the political equivalent of a sociopath. The difference is that he is practicing not on a primitive tribe but on the population of the United States.
There is nothing mysterious about Obama's methods. "A demagogue tries to sound as stupid as his audience so that they will think they are as clever as he is," wrote Karl Krauss. Americans are the world's biggest suckers, and laugh at this weakness in their popular culture. Listening to Obama speak, Sinclair Lewis' cynical tent-revivalist Elmer Gantry comes to mind, or, even better, Tyrone Power's portrayal of a carnival mentalist in the 1947 film noire Nightmare Alley. The latter is available for instant viewing at Netflix, and highly recommended as an antidote to having felt uplifted by an Obama speech. ..."
Article: Obama's women reveal his secret
Maybe just a Muslim trying to help out his Brother? If there is No defense for an Army Officer taking up arms and murdering fourteen unarmed soldiers and wounding many more. ...being condemned to the rest of his miserable life confined to a wheelchair —as opposed to the Islamic glory of death during jihad— No doubt his Attorney is trying to grab the brass ring of public compassion for this murderer.Claiming the Defense has not received all the e-mail evidence. Oh I agree with the source who suggests mere knowledge that there was correspondence between the disgusting Major Hasan and like
minded Islamic terrorists suggests a pattern of solidarity with murderers/enemies of my Country (terrorists of the most despicable sort)
How much evidence do you need? Bring in ALL the people who were at the shooting that day and ask them to point to the shooter.
Something tells me they will get 100% positive ID.
What you are describing, of course, is Castle Doctrine, and I think it’s one of the best laws we have. With the passage of Castle Doctrine, you no longer need a CHL to be carrying in your car when you are traveling...(if I’m in my car, I’m traveling—LOL)—or in your home.
I know quite a few people who now own guns that ordinarily wouldn’t have, because they didn’t want to be in another gummit data base.