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The tragedy of imperial retreat
http://english.aljazeera.net/ ^ | 07/21/2011 | Tarak Barkawi

Posted on 07/22/2011 12:10:50 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie

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To: AfricanChristian; ClearCase_guy

Oh and turkic slaves of course — they were predominant and then formed the Mameluk dynasty when they overthrew their rulers


41 posted on 07/22/2011 10:55:35 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

Read up about the Kongo kingdom. That’s were the Congo gets its name from


42 posted on 07/22/2011 11:15:33 PM PDT by AfricanChristian
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To: AfricanChristian

did a quick glance — but the boundaries of this kingdom is supposed to be along the seashore


43 posted on 07/23/2011 3:38:09 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: AfricanChristian

>The South Vietnamese were better funded than Ho Chin Minh, but Uncle Ho’s forces were better motivated.

On the other hand, some ARVN units did indeed fight very well.

> (A notable exception was when the US was on the side of the Mujaheddin (forerunners of the Taliban) in the 1980’s).

Actually, the Muj were the forerunners to the Northern Alliance, though the Taliban started out as a bunch of former Muj.

>The lesson: don’t waste your time on a protracted war in a foreign land unless you have motivated allies (e.g the Kurds). Don’t attempt to buy loyalty with money, if you have to, then ensure that the engagement is very short or conducted at arms length.

True.


44 posted on 08/23/2011 6:25:57 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (George Lopez sucks the sweat off a dead man's huevo$)
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To: Smokin' Joe

>Throughout history, who hasn’t? Virtually every would-be conqueror has been stymied in the region.

A myth. AFghanistan was actually part of various empires over the centuries. Alexander and Genghis did indeed succeed in conquering it, though they didn’t find it easy.


45 posted on 08/23/2011 6:28:33 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (George Lopez sucks the sweat off a dead man's huevo$)
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To: Cronos; Smokin' Joe

>Nah, only the Russians

And even then the Afghans needed US aid in order to win.


46 posted on 08/23/2011 6:32:40 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (George Lopez sucks the sweat off a dead man's huevo$)
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To: Cronos; Smokin' Joe

>Nah, only the Russians

And even then the Afghans needed US aid in order to win.


47 posted on 08/23/2011 6:32:44 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (George Lopez sucks the sweat off a dead man's huevo$)
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To: Jacob Kell

I think that myth started with the British “great game” with the Russians. Strangely enough, that “competition” was one-sided. The Russians did not intend to drive through to India. Their aim was the Pacific and then, secondarily to Persia (but that was just a thought).


48 posted on 08/23/2011 10:17:02 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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