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Norwegian Tragedy And Absence Of Debate
The Brussels Journal ^ | 7-24-2011 12:55 | Lucien Oulahbib

Posted on 07/24/2011 10:47:23 AM PDT by Texas Fossil

Bitter criticism of Islam, a "grass-roots" profile, islamophobia: that's what "experts" immediately point to in the wake of the disaster created by a so-called "Christian extremist" (or, in contradiction, a freemason). Compared with the Oslo bombing and the Utøya killings, a small anti-christian killing in Egypt or elsewhere is explained simply as an act of an unbalanced lunatic, or as the effect of social tension caused by the "American-Zionist" masters of the universe. That is the iniquitous model of the bankable explanation presented to us.

Without reducing the inexcusable aspect of his acts, let's focus on the circumstances in which Anders Behring Breivik planned his crime. Was he a "lone wolf", like the Oklahoma City bomber or the failed assassin of Chirac? Is he a white knight trying to stop the supposed implosion of a derailed world by shooting at the heart of the future elite? Let's follow this hypothesis for a while, and hence reject that he was pathologically affected. His rage, fed by video games, may also have been caused by the lack of real debate on the radical changes caused by a multiculturalism.

If there were a real counter-power, symbolic or spiritual, enabling a critical debate on the role of Islam in the world without being accused as a racist, maybe this inexcusable and vile act would have taken another form? Nobody knows. But please, do not put all the blame on islamo-criticism gone wrong. This criticism is either absent in the mainstream, or demonized. The thousands and thousands of people murdered by (radical) Islam should weigh heavier than these 92 deaths.

So, let us remain rational and ask ourselves why such extreme acts are perpetrated. Don't put the blame solely on populism and its derivatives. Lacking real debate, society is forced, even raped, to the point of disappearing, dissolving the people and replacing it with another one - and whoever refuses is treated as a racist. If this continues, we should not be surprised to see other tragedies occur.


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I am not sure this journal which represents similar perspective to FR can say more than is stated here.

The acts of violence are indefensible from any prespective.

Blame? I guess that will eventually play out.

Is Islam a threat to Western Civilisation? I think so.

Why more now than previously? Our own weakness and division. We need to regain the high moral ground and our economic independence.

Are the stakes high? Is the outcome certain?

We will see what the people of the U.S. are made of. And for the world? We shall also see if the forces of evil prevail.

My copy of "the book" says they ultimately are defeated. In my lifetime? unknown

1 posted on 07/24/2011 10:47:27 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil
We will see what the people of the U.S. are made of.

When did America become part of a Norwegian crime?
2 posted on 07/24/2011 10:49:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

As long as you and I get it, what else matters?


3 posted on 07/24/2011 10:54:30 AM PDT by bigheadfred (Beat me, Bite me, Make Me write Bad Checks)
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To: Texas Fossil

The Oslo Accords empowered the Palies to go on a murdering, terroristic rampage against Israel. And the Norwegian government allows the Muzzies they have imported to wage jihad against their own citizens. It wasn’t a matter of if but only when a Norwegian decided to fight back against the enablers of Islam.

The Scandanavians also have the 10 rules of Jante Law.

There are ten different rules in the law as defined by Sandemose, but they all express variations on a single theme and are usually referred to as a homogeneous unit: Don’t think you’re anyone special or that you’re better than us.

The ten rules state:

1. Don’t think you’re anything special.
2. Don’t think you’re as good as us.
3. Don’t think you’re smarter than us.
4. Don’t convince yourself that you’re better than us.
5. Don’t think you know more than us.
6. Don’t think you are more important than us.
7. Don’t think you are good at anything.
8. Don’t laugh at us.
9. Don’t think anyone cares about you.
10. Don’t think you can teach us anything.

An eleventh rule recognized in the novel is:

11. Don’t think that there aren’t a few things we know about you.

In the book, the Janters who transgress this unwritten ‘law’ are regarded with suspicion and some hostility, as it goes against communal desire in the town to preserve harmony, social stability and uniformity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jante_Law


4 posted on 07/24/2011 10:55:56 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Communitarianism (European Socialism) - Central to the communitarian philosophy is the concept of positive rights, which are rights or guarantees to certain things. (As opposed to the Bill of Rights which is considered a body of negative rights - the right from government interference.) The American legal system is based on “natural law” and the endowment by the Creator of inalienable rights to individuals. It is also based on the English “common law” which emphasizes the rights of the individual even when they conflict with community or government interest. Much of our republican structure and fragmented power is to protect the individual from the whole. What we are seeing on our own soil on many many levels is a basic conflict in incompatible philosophies. The Scandinavian countries are the heart of communitarianism.
5 posted on 07/24/2011 11:04:57 AM PDT by marsh2
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The guy’s a friggin’ mass-murderer, and it’s really sad to see the media focusing on his politics, opinions, or anything else, because they’re not important. He’s a monster...his views and opinions deserve no attention at all. The left is having a great time focusing on the fact that the guy was a white Christian with right-wing views, when the only thing they should be focusing on is the fact that he’s a demented murderer. To see politics being played over such a horrible tragedy (in the media, on this site, or anywhere) makes me sick to my stomach.


6 posted on 07/24/2011 11:13:26 AM PDT by heysean
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To: Texas Fossil
Was he a "lone wolf", like the Oklahoma City bomber...

False premise. The author is uneducated.

THE THIRD TERRORIST

The Middle East Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing

by Jayna Davis

Foreward by David P. Schippers


7 posted on 07/24/2011 11:16:46 AM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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When did America become part of a Norwegian crime?

Scratching my head. America had nothing to do with what happened in Norway. And we are not in the same predicament that Europe is in.

But the U.S. exists in the same world and the globe is shrinking, like it or not, admit it or not.

The Perp in Oslo is a nutcase. 1500 page document he wrote?

This event must not be used as a pretence to distract from the obvious effects of the encroachment of Islam here. It is a foreign body in the body politic of the U.S. Our very existence is built on the seperation of Church and State. Islam stands counter to that. Does acknowledging that make us complicit in this horror?

8 posted on 07/24/2011 11:16:58 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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I read this morning that there were 6 others arrested related to this mass murder.

He is not by himself in this crime.


9 posted on 07/24/2011 11:20:01 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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Also, some Islamic group claimed credit for the act making everyone suspect this was Muslim inspired.

We still don't know what is up. We see a false facebook page went up claiming his Christianity AFTER the killings.

If a practicing Christian, where was his church, who was his pastor and what did other congregational members think of this guy?

10 posted on 07/24/2011 11:24:14 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Texas Fossil

The whole point of the First Amendment was to allow people like this killer to redress his grievances in public debate - and even allow for political parties to form that would be (at least nominally) anti-immigration, if immigration was becoming a problem.

Not true in Norway (and much of Europe). Try to debate the issue and you get thrown in front of judges and often jailed for “hate crimes”, which are really thought crimes in these cases. Without open debate, people resort to other means.

God help us if we lose the ability to debate immigration in this country - that will be the one SURE SIGN that our days as a free country are numbered.


11 posted on 07/24/2011 11:25:03 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Texas Fossil
Lacking real debate, society is forced, even raped, to the point of disappearing, dissolving the people and replacing it with another one - and whoever refuses is treated as a racist. If this continues, we should not be surprised to see other tragedies occur.

The writer has a point. When people are not allowed to discuss an issue, or express their opinions, without being hounded as racists or xenophobes, they could very well become frustrated and lash out in the only way they see available to them that could, they believe, make their point, and call attention to the problem. Sadly, violent acts only seem to call attention to the perpetrator and his or her political or religious leanings, and the media completely ignores a discussion of what the person might say led to do what was done.

12 posted on 07/24/2011 11:29:10 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: BobL
The whole point of the First Amendment was to allow people like this killer to redress his grievances in public debate - and even allow for political parties to form that would be (at least nominally) anti-immigration, if immigration was becoming a problem.

People outside the USA really struggle with the way we "allow" groups like the KKK and neonazis to exist. The fact is that they will exist whether we allow it or not. Its better to let them spew stupidity in the town square than plot in the dark.

There is another issue that I haven't heard addressed and that's the taxpayer funded religion in Norway. It appears that at least some church officials are appointed by government among other things we would never accept in America.

Church of Norway (pdf file)
13 posted on 07/24/2011 11:37:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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Yea, the Church there is a joke and answers right to the political structure, no different than the Soviet Union. That’s needed to ensure opposition power centers don’t start to develop.


14 posted on 07/24/2011 11:43:05 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Texas Fossil
The thousands and thousands of people murdered by (radical) Islam should weigh heavier than these 92 deaths.

Come on guys.. you're dealing with Marxist-Alinsky spoiled brat nut jobs here in the U.S. What happened in Norway is a horrible tragedy -- those thousands murdered by radical Islam is just a statistic.

Besides.. here in the U.S. the media and Obama's Home Land Security are dancing with joy shouting "Hot damn! A Christian terrorist man!"

BTW, in April 1995 Bill Clinton was a stumblin' and a fumblin' -- he used the deaths of hundreds and just a few months later he was a shoo-in for re-election. How will Obama use these deaths? --- question: Was it Allah's will that this horrible act took place?

15 posted on 07/24/2011 12:01:11 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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>>And we are not in the same predicament that Europe is in.<<

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Really?

Europe has not had the equivalent of 9/11/2001, the EU does not have a Muslim President and we have a Congress that approaches any Muslim problem wearing kneepads.

In fact, Europe has started to take a much dimmer view of Islam than we have. No more burkas in Holland, France and other countries. No mosques in Switzerland, a couple of mosques were torn down in Milan because of their unsightlyness vis-a-vis more established religious building, etc.

We may not be in the same predicament that Europe is in, but we are in a kind of predicament that we like to sweep under the rug.


16 posted on 07/24/2011 12:11:11 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Texas Fossil

This piece reeks of the same moral relativism the left employs full time and it’s even more nauseating.


17 posted on 07/24/2011 12:38:48 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Texas Fossil

Actually, I think his motives have to be examined more carefully, because he was actually in favor of the establishment of the “caliphate” since he thought this would keep the Muslims in one location, and that the resulting Islamic attacks on Europe would actually be a positive because it would coalesce “European identity.” He had the same theory on the Jews (whom he obviously was not planning on keeping in “his” Europe).

He went to a meeting in Liberia to discuss his ideas with various people, including a Serb (possibly the one who gave him the pro advice on how to do it and actually ran the operation), and the only thing he was worried about with his contacts with Islamists was that he was afraid he couldn’t trust them.

So at the end of the day, all we’re talking about is a more sophisticated European version of the Aryan Brotherhood.


18 posted on 07/24/2011 1:12:26 PM PDT by livius
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a Serb (possibly the one who gave him the pro advice)

I had not read about a Serb he met with, but have thought from the beginning that he could not have made the bomb without professional help. Explosives (especially home brewed) are not easy to assemble correctly.

I heard yesterday that there were 6 more arrests concerning the case. Today my father told me that they were all released.

19 posted on 07/24/2011 1:33:30 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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“Communitarianism (European Socialism) - Central to the communitarian philosophy is the concept of positive rights, which are rights or guarantees to certain things.”

Like an animal farm? As long as the animal doesn’t buck the system and behaves like everyone else all is good except when it is time to go to slaughterhouse. LOL!


20 posted on 07/24/2011 1:50:48 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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