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Post office looking to close (THOUSANDS of) offices to save money (only lost $8 billion)
Yahoo ^ | 7/26/11 | RANDOLPH E. SCHMID

Posted on 07/26/2011 4:55:30 AM PDT by Libloather

Post office looking to close offices to save money
By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID - Associated Press
AP – 7 hrs ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Postal Service is launching a study of thousands of local post offices for possible closure in an effort to save money.

The cash-strapped agency, which lost $8 billion last year, scheduled a briefing for Tuesday at which it is expected to announce the action.

Most of the approximately 3,600 offices that face reviews are in rural areas, but postal official say they are looking into alternate service, such as locating offices in local businesses, town halls or community centers.

In those cases the so-called Village Post Office would replace one to be closed.

And coming under review doesn't necessarily mean an office will close. The post office announced in January it was reviewing 1,400 offices for closing. So far 280 have been closed and 200 have finished the review process and will remain open.

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KEYWORDS: mail; money; office; post
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1 posted on 07/26/2011 4:55:37 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

I thought they did this a couple of months ago


2 posted on 07/26/2011 4:59:09 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Libloather

Was not the alleged efficiency of the US Postal Office
the reason American medicine was hijacked by the DNC
into deathpanel laden and racist ObamaCARE?


3 posted on 07/26/2011 5:00:32 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: Libloather

There are some under review in my area. These are very small rural offices that will likely be consolidated into nearby larger town POs. The routes won’t be eliminated, just the offices (and Postmaster/clerk).


4 posted on 07/26/2011 5:01:30 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (Proud Clinton-hater since 1998.)
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To: Libloather

cut ‘em loose...entirely!


5 posted on 07/26/2011 5:01:36 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: nuconvert

It is ongoing.


6 posted on 07/26/2011 5:02:19 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (Proud Clinton-hater since 1998.)
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To: Libloather

How about closing the letter-carrier’s UNION, instead?


7 posted on 07/26/2011 5:02:33 AM PDT by Walrus (You can't begin a revolution with establishment leaders)
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To: Libloather

As one blog put it: Congress in 2006 passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act, which granted more authority to the Postal Regulatory Commission, comprising five appointed members, and an Office of Inspector General; altered the rate-setting structure for certain mail categories; and mandated that the Postal Service prefund its retiree health benefits plans at more than $5 billion annually. Absent that requirement, USPS would be in the black.


8 posted on 07/26/2011 5:02:44 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: gunnyg

Postal service is Constitutionally mandated.


9 posted on 07/26/2011 5:04:04 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (Proud Clinton-hater since 1998.)
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To: Marie Antoinette

I guess I don’t understand.
They announced in Jan. they were doing this and now they’re announcing it again? Why do they need 2 announcements? Just do it.


10 posted on 07/26/2011 5:10:36 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Libloather

one of the doors at my post office has not been working for over a month.

i’m watching to see how long it takes them to repair it.

a capitalist business would call up a repair shop immediately and get the job done.

not the socialist usps.

meanwhile, the a/c’s cranked up for the comfort of the union. the post office is only 2 miles from the ocean and the climate is sublime.

then, there’s the pool of water next to the building that is killing the landscaping. the automatic sprinklers over water the sloping landscape.

then, there’s the unionized “workforce” inside the building.


11 posted on 07/26/2011 5:11:27 AM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: Libloather

They might want to speed up the review process a bit.


12 posted on 07/26/2011 5:13:10 AM PDT by John W (Natural-born US citizen since 1955)
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To: Marie Antoinette

I was wondering about the routes. When I heard this on the radio today, I immediately thought of a couple offices in my area that used to serve independent rural communities, which are basically suburbs now. Didn’t understand why they still had full-function post offices.


13 posted on 07/26/2011 5:15:32 AM PDT by YCTHouston
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To: Libloather
The solution is to close about 28,000 small post offices and stations, and replace their delivery service with rural carriers. The remaining offices can provide a much more efficient network of "head out offices" for the rural carriers.

The service improvement for this change has been estimated to be as great as 1.5 days faster from point of origin to the destination customer.

The existing rural system actually gets in the way of providing high quality service.

NOTE: With the arrival of the 9 digit ZIP Code there was no longer a need to change anyone's post office address!

I'm having some difficulty with figuring out why today's postal management is so dissinterested in cutting costs. Is there some rural Senator or Congressman on one of the relevant committees calling the shots here? Or, maybe the Postmaster General has his own personal interest at stake?

It's worth looking into because that's the sort of thing that's always stopped wholesale closures in the past.

14 posted on 07/26/2011 5:25:37 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ken21
Your local post office is most likely a rented facility. The landlord has an obligation under the lease terms to repair the door.

If he doesn't repair the door and its left to USPS to do so, they will take the cost out of the rent.

Eventually, when maintenance costs rise high enough, and USPS needs more money for repairs than they would ever pay in rent, they have options ~ (1) Seize the building, (2) Move somewhere else, (3) Drag the landlord through the courts almost eternally.

Sounds like the landlord best get that door repaired.

15 posted on 07/26/2011 5:28:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nuconvert

It sounds like the January announcement was a review of 1400 offices, this time it is a review of over 3000 different offices. And of course, the PO moves at the speed of the government. LOL.


16 posted on 07/26/2011 5:31:48 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (Proud Clinton-hater since 1998.)
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To: Libloather

The quality of our service has deteriorated significantly in recent years. Between the slow as molasses counter help and the carrier who mangles our mail, I’ve not been very happy with them lately.


17 posted on 07/26/2011 5:32:37 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: Marie Antoinette

On my local news, they said that out of the 1400, 200+ have been closed and another 200+ have been reveiwed. Moving fast to get those reviews done, aren’t they?


18 posted on 07/26/2011 5:45:12 AM PDT by arichtaxpayer
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To: muawiyah

You assume the landlord knows of the problem.


19 posted on 07/26/2011 5:46:36 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Gov. Perry is a solid conservative... as long as it's campaign season.)
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To: All

I attended a postal conference about 12 years ago and this very topic was discussed at length. The PMG at the time stated that the USPS has turned into a benefits management organization and no longer focuses on innovation which is why FedEx and UPS would best them in 20 years. Meaning, they exist to service the employees and retiree benefits and not the end-user.
Now they must reduce the services even further to make sure that Mr Retiree gets his Viagara and retirement pay for the next 20 years.
I don’t fault the people that work there, I fault Congress and the gubmint for allowing this to happen.

If you love what the nameless, faceless bureaucrats did to the post office, you’ll love what they do to healthcare.


20 posted on 07/26/2011 5:47:54 AM PDT by newnhdad
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To: Libloather

The bulk mail section of the us mail, is nothing more than an affirmative action hiring center, sell it to several trucking firms and stop the bleeding and deliver mail three days a week, and no more buying employee houses.


21 posted on 07/26/2011 5:49:49 AM PDT by org.whodat (third party time.)
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To: Libloather

Within the 5 miles from my house to the grocery store there are 5 different post offices.


22 posted on 07/26/2011 5:52:22 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Professional Engineer

The landlords always know.


23 posted on 07/26/2011 5:57:08 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: org.whodat
The folks who had their homes purchased were all remarkably light skinned, highly educated, and actually the same sort of executives you find in private industry.

The house buying trick is not unknown in the private sector. In fact, with some industries it's so normal they don't imagine it could be any other way.

The problem with USPS is it's not private industry and has a bunch of people sniffing it's nether regions constantly ~ they are called "the public" and they think they own the place.

As far as EIEIO hiring the USP is America's largest single employer of African-Americans. Yet, they have to meet the same high standards as the white people. No stealing. No dawdling. No using dope. Etc. All pretty basic stuff. It's been that way since LONG BEFORE EIEIO.

24 posted on 07/26/2011 6:01:40 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Libloather; All

August of 2009: Hussein compared HIS OWN DEATHCARE LAW to the failing Post Office:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2009/08/obamas-post-office-health-care-disaster


25 posted on 07/26/2011 6:04:15 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: newnhdad
That was 1998 or 1999. There was current at the time the thought at the top that USPS had peaked ~ and its workforce was getting older and no one was retiring.

They'd been telling that story since about 1975.

It's an excuse for less than vigorous efforts at the top.

As the Clintonistas began disappearing from the Board of Governors their management team continued to throw roadblocks in the way of Republicans getting promoted in management ranks.

The only good thing that happened was Marvin Runyon finally left the top job. He had been a big supporter of Lamar Alexander in his ambition to become President. Obviously that wasn't going to happen to Lamar as long as he depended on people like Runyon who never saw a Republican they liked nor a lesbian they could pass up for promotion.

A truly disgusting old man he definitely did USPS and its workforce NO FAVORS

26 posted on 07/26/2011 6:09:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: newnhdad; All

Just like General Motors became a benefits distribution center. Car manufacturing got in the way.


27 posted on 07/26/2011 6:10:19 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Walrus
How about closing the letter-carrier’s UNION, instead?

"That crazy talk, Jerry! Crazy talk!"


28 posted on 07/26/2011 6:10:39 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Marie Antoinette

Then we need a Constitutional Amendment so that the whole sorry mess can be privatized!


29 posted on 07/26/2011 6:12:50 AM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: Libloather

When you pay your mailmen $90K on 40 cent stamps the model just doesn’t work anymore. Time to cut the wages.

Pray for America


30 posted on 07/26/2011 6:15:24 AM PDT by bray (Palin is the DC Nightmare)
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To: muawiyah
I live about a mile outside of town. There were times when I was selling on ebay, the line at the PO would be out the door and 2 gals were working the counter....

4 miles W. of town is another small town, (has a PO and a mom and pop party store). That's all...

8 miles south of here is another PO but the town is at least a town with business's on main street. But a lot of empty buildings also...The gas station is the largest business, its always full of cars...

You have to go about 12 miles north to get another PO. But from that town west again 8 miles is another PO.

It seems just about every burg with one business also has a post office...they could close quite a few just in my area alone...consolidate to one with 3 windows and it would be fine...

The one 4 miles west has hardly any customers and when I wanted no lines, I would go there...

I am curious as to how many employee's these combined PO have and what type of salary and pension they get....I get rural delivery, mail box at the road.

One of those towns does not deliver if you live within 1/2 mile of the PO you have to get a PO box...(might be 1 mile, I moved out 10 years ago and forgot the distance) I got home delivery but those in the middle of the little town all had PO boxes...don't know if a PO box cost money or not...

31 posted on 07/26/2011 6:25:59 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Libloather

Starting soon medicare payments and insurance premiums are going to be handled w/o paper; they are going to deduct your premiums owed from your SS check and deposit any remainder into your specified bank account. If you have a question about amounts, errors, or just a question, look for that to be handled online.


32 posted on 07/26/2011 6:34:48 AM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: Libloather

I recall The Usurping Marxist Onada providing the PO as an example of a successful gov’t enterprise. What happened in the year or so since he said that?

Hello Conservative candidates, do ya think that would make a great campaign ad?


33 posted on 07/26/2011 6:36:36 AM PDT by dools0007world (uestion)
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To: Libloather
Remember when they delivered the mail twice a day?

ML/NJ

34 posted on 07/26/2011 6:39:30 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: goat granny
One of those towns does not deliver if you live within 1/2 mile of the PO you have to get a PO box...(might be 1 mile, I moved out 10 years ago and forgot the distance) I got home delivery but those in the middle of the little town all had PO boxes...don't know if a PO box cost money or not...

I live in Ignacio, CO

Everyone within the "city" limits has a POBox, no home delivery. Businesses get charged for the Box, citizens do not.

This is a SMALL town and surrounded by Tribal land.

FMCDH(BITS)

35 posted on 07/26/2011 7:03:42 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Marie Antoinette
Postal service is Constitutionally mandated.

Along with 'post roads', the Federal Highways.

The Federal Highways (post roads) are constructed and maintained by private contractors. The Post Offices can be run the same way. I've lived in several places where the community post office was operated inside and by the local grocery store. It works just fine. Great service.

36 posted on 07/26/2011 7:03:53 AM PDT by CharlyFord (t)
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To: muawiyah

The solution is to close about 28,000 small post offices and stations, and replace their delivery service with rural carriers.


We, and maybe 1000 households live within 3 miles of our local post office (5 miles of farmland to the next residential area). We get no delivery.

I’d rather they close, and deliver the flippin’ mail. We and our correspondents are paying for it.


37 posted on 07/26/2011 7:09:39 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Government borrowing is Taxation without Representation)
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To: Beelzebubba
Now you're catching on.

Rural route delivery has been a proven methodology for nearly a century. it's time to adopt it eh!

38 posted on 07/26/2011 7:13:42 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CharlyFord
There are only a few miles of federal highway There are tens of thousands of miles of highways built by states with money provided through the federal gasoline tax.

A Post Road is one where a postal vehicle (owned by USPS or contracted for) can travel without charge or restriction.

39 posted on 07/26/2011 7:15:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

A Post Road is one where a postal vehicle (owned by USPS or contracted for) can travel without charge or restriction.


Near as I can tell postal vehicles don’t have to pay to travel on any road anyway. They don’t even have license plates (a fact that unfortunately became evident to me when one of them sideswiped me and then took off a number of years ago)


40 posted on 07/26/2011 7:23:11 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ken21
a capitalist business would call up a repair shop immediately and get the job done.

not the socialist usps.

In government operations, capital is spent on wages to buy popularity and votes instead of being reinvested in the business to improve productivity and profitability. You no longer find stamp machines in most post offices. They were never maintained and had to be scrapped.

41 posted on 07/26/2011 7:29:12 AM PDT by BfloGuy (There is no remedy for the inefficiency of public management. -- L. Von Mises)
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To: Marie Antoinette
"There are some under review in my area. These are very small rural offices that will likely be consolidated into nearby larger town POs. The routes won’t be eliminated, just the offices (and Postmaster/clerk)."

Yeah, but their criteria suck. Back at my home town down in Louisiana, there are three "post offices" being examined. Two essentially consist of a building and an RFD route. The other is actually "in" a small village and has signficant "walk-in" traffic. So which one are they going to close.....the one with the "walk-in" traffic, because it's "smaller" than the other two. It would make more sense to close the other two, and run the two RFD routes from the remaining location.

42 posted on 07/26/2011 7:36:39 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: muawiyah

My post office is owned by someone in California. I’m in Missouri. We NEED some concrete repair, but we GOT an ADA compliant bathroom. We had to shut down the bathroom for about six weeks, put up with all the noise and dust from the part-time contractors, and we finally are ADA compliant, down to the wheelchair accessible water fountain.

Yay.

There are no handicapped employees in our office, no public access to the bathrooms, and we’re required to be physically capable enough to lift 75 lbs out of the bottom of our parcel hampers. What the hell do we need an ADA compliant bathroom for?


43 posted on 07/26/2011 3:22:46 PM PDT by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: Big Giant Head
You are up against the bizarre unnatural reading of ADA compliance foisted off on the entire federal government by a mentally ill ADA compliance person somewhere.

You will hunt in vain for the guy who did that.

We had ADA compliant cra**ers installed at USPS headquarters and when they got done they discovered they were not Orthodox Jewish, Hindu or Islamic compliant ~ for the ladies. Problem was the doors on the stalls SWUNG INWARDS ~ they'd gotten the extra space for the handicapped toilet out of the space needed for the nonhandicapped ladies toilet space.

BTW, at USPS headquarters there are a fair share of Jewish, Hindu and Moslem women ~ kind of a compendium of everybody from everywhere in America!

44 posted on 07/26/2011 3:32:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BfloGuy

Oh, the stamp machines hanging on the wall? Those machines were always cr*p. The multicommodity venders work much better.


45 posted on 07/26/2011 3:35:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Libloather

Give the mail to the paper boy (person) to deliver. They seem to hit same places.


46 posted on 07/26/2011 3:38:50 PM PDT by Walmartian
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To: Wonder Warthog
"They" are looking at the leases. If they have an area where there are a dozen post offices the one with the longest lease has the best chance of surviving.

USPS doesn't really need to do that. Although the landlords don't like it USPS can simply cancel the lease or "take" the building and sell it off.

I have no idea what idiot would come up with a "length of lease" criteria over there ~ some lawyer no doubt, or one of the CPAs I had to fight to eliminate the "respond within 15 days" trick that sent all our targets for collection out to get better lawyers.

You know, sometimes people will pay you if you're polite ~ and 30 days gives them a chance to get a business loan. Most postage deficiencies were not planned and most publications are very small business who just don't have a year's worth of postage on hand.

Anyway, someone rather remote from the realities of the business place has said "Check the Lease".

The problem is obvious ~ you are closing post offices, not arranging for keeping them open! Screw the lease. Make the decision on service considerations first, last and only. Within a year or so they may be able to dump all the leases!

47 posted on 07/26/2011 3:41:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

My point is that money is wasted on a restroom that no handicappd person is going to see. We don’t need two water fountains side by side. It’s just waste. Even though it’s not tax payer dollars, it’s still stupid to waste the money.


48 posted on 07/26/2011 5:10:49 PM PDT by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: Big Giant Head
The decision was made at the top. Local postmasters have little input into these decisions.

As you know the USPS is operated in a very rigid and uniform manner. It's a gigantic machine. The people are cogs. My job was to write the rules for those cogs and fix wear and tear.

Hard job but somebody had to do it.

BTW, even though I'm not particularly handicapped I've noticed that my preference is for the HIGHER handicapped toilets as I get older. BTW, I can still lift 70 pounds, and moreover, walk around outside in 10 degree weather wearing nothing but my underwear for that matter ~ and do that for hours.

Still, no problem with the handicapped toilet and I'm glad to hear that if I'd ever visited your post office there'd be a place for me to go.

Noteworthy ~ after a relative ended up with a cholestomy bag I discovered the primary design parameter for the handicapped toilet. It's not for the sit down jobs, it's for the change the bag jobs. The larger oval gives you a landing zone that keeps down the splash, and let me assure you nobody wants that splash around. You could very well have an otherwise apparently healthy and sound employee end up with a j-pouch or cholestomy bag and you'd all be happy to have that particular toilet.

49 posted on 07/26/2011 6:25:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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