Posted on 07/26/2011 11:23:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Edited on 07/26/2011 5:05:12 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
> How about cutting ONE trillion by the end of the year?
Easily done by defunding 0bamao-care.
If accurate, that 178 number is a large number of folks indeed. Power is a wonderful thing when used properly. Stand strong, troops!
> Voters are not amused and will not be fooled.
Unfortunately, the voters of whom you speak are in the minority now.
That’s how 0bamao got elected in the first place.
The only way conservatives can win elections is if enough of the “takers” and useful idiots don’t vote.
> Voters are not amused and will not be fooled.
Unfortunately, the voters of whom you speak are in the minority now.
That’s how 0bamao got elected in the first place.
The only way conservatives can win elections is if enough of the “takers” and useful idiots don’t vote.
“Pan Yan was saying what the Vhris Matthewses and Wassermans will say ..”
Why present such crap? Does Pen_Yan or anyone else actually think it adds something to the discussion?
Sarcasm has to have an element of believability to work. The meme from the MSM is insulting in its degree of deceit. Apparenlty Pen_Yan thinks its somewhat credible.
Compromise, in this case, is NOT a dirty word.I guess what angers people like me is not merely compromise - but that they are compromising with themselves and not Democrats. And, I am not angry yet, I am waiting to see how they listen and respond to a very plugged in and well-informed base. Second, all these House members ran on a platform of holding the line on spending now, not 1-2 years from now.
Realistically, the debt ceiling is precisely all the GOP needs to get substantive cuts (not everything it wants, mind you). They don't have to have the Senate or the Presidency. But they do not want to really use it. They want to threaten to use it, but they have not convinced the other side just yet that they will really use it if they have to. Heck they have not even convinced their own side that they will use it.
All this drama by the Prez and we find out through back channels he has been telling bankers the truth - the same truth many here have been saying - that he will never default and there is plenty of money to service our debt.
This is demonstrable validation that the GOP indeed has the leverage to force a real plan and let the Dems and O face the choice of [a] real cuts phased in over 10 years but structural changes - CCB - or [b] immediate cuts in spending of nearly 40%.
The GOP needs to understand that the Dem plan is the same regardless of what happens: [a] if the GOP caves and does not cut and/or raise spending, they hammer them on their broken promises, GOP loses the tea party and conservative base, they talk about how draconian the phantom cuts are that the evil GOP forced all to endure, and they employ the shrillness of all hell breaking loose for the next 15 months. And, btw, the Dems who are facing annihilation next election will actually win. [b] If the GOP caves only a little and gets some cuts and no tax increases, then the Dems demonize the cuts to their base and to moderates in the shrillness of all hell breaking loose for the next 15 months. And, the Dems lose some, perhaps the Senate, maybe a little more in the House, and most likely the Prez. [c] If the GOP leverages the debt-ceiling and gets very deep cuts and no tax increases, then the Dems demonize the cuts to their base and to moderates in the shrillness of all hell breaking loose for the next 15 months. The GOP base is no less determined to get rid of Prez O, and they are solid behind the leadership and party. Dems will face a 40% ceiling on popular vote, and will lose in every political strata once again all across the nation (except CA, of course). This, coupled with the last election, will cripple the Democratic party into political oblivion. They will fracture, and it may take many, many years for them to restructure their coalition.
There will not be one iota's difference in the shrillness and unified utter hell breaking loose response the Dems muster if we cut $1 or $1T or $6.2T or more. So, why not go $6.2T or more? Why not compromise from position [c]? Go big or go home, GOP.
Yep and they act like these debt limit ‘bandaids’ are going to fix it or are somehow preferable to taking the hard medicine. I’ve tired of the political class unidirectional reasoning that the path of least immediate pain is the best path. We are headed towards a fiscal Armeggedon in the future and if anyone thinks their pet programs are going to be safe in that event they are crazy. It is good to see people getting pissed off about this like with Health Care. They should be.
What a bizarre thread this turned out to be.
*shakes head* Ill keep my mouth shut from now on..
Truth. I even have doubts about Jim Jordan. His RSC budget was nice but only Rand has put himself out there alone.
Damn right!
We need real double digit cuts in the Federal Government now!
If we sign on to either if these two plans the debt will be 100% of GDP in a few years.
If we leave the debt limit in place they’ll be forced to cut.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.