The Crying Shame of John Boehner

Nobody seems to correlate the rising debt ceiling with declining jobs.

The rising debt ceiling has two consequences....

more regulation ...

to occupy employees in expanding federal bureaucracies...which expand because “they have more money” and another layer of bureaucrats need their 20 year promotions... Each round of regulatory expansion is the effective equivalent of another targeted tax increase on the object of the regulation.

more taxes...

The rising debt ceiling has demands and expectations of creditors for new elements of “revenue raising” by the Feds...taxes or fees.

In this strangling environment job creation is simply NOT possible.

In fact the only logical conclusion..can be ..is that the Federal apparatus -initially an asset to the United States..by virtue of its abilities to raise an effective Navy in the late 1700’s, and early 1800’s to facilitate overseas trade on behalf of the States, has become nothing other than the States greatest liability at this point in time. In the absence of profound regulatory and taxation reform-which is not capable of coming from the same minds that created the problem..we may well be at the end of the line.

Huck, you’ve got a Democrat President and Democrat appointments. Let me know which of the following you think is going to happen when August 2nd passes without a deal.

1. nothing bad happens, the negotiations continue indefinitely and Obama is shown up for the liar he is

2. Obama orders each of his department heads to take the most negative actions possible, blaming all the negative consequences on the Republicans, and setting us up to lose the House and Senate in 2012

Let me know when you’ve got this one figured out. There is no third selection no matter what your pipe dreams are.

FoxNews just aired a poll. Over 90% of the populace views the job Congress is doing as poor or worse. That’s even worse than Pelosi’s numbers.

You think avoiding a budget deal turns this around? LOL

All your arguments stem from fear. You argue for business as usual—kick the can. No thanks.

Huck, destroying our leader (for better or worse) six days before August 2nd accomplishes what?

He's not our leader. He's the current GOP House leader. What does it accomplish? It gets a proven loser out of power.

Actually, he is our leader. You may not like it, but that's a fact. Refusing to accept reality is not a way to make a coherent argument.

It gets the only leader we have out of power, hours before the August 2nd deadline.

It throws our side into disarray and makes us look like country bumpkins, incapable of running Congress.

It makes the TEA party look like the committed non-partisan grass roots movement it claims to be.

Boehner stepping down, the August 2nd deadline passing without a deal, makes the Tea Party look good? Guess which 70 members of Congress get blamed for the government shutting down on August 2nd. The Democrats? The Republicans? The Tea Party?

Yep, it casts the Tea Party as real winners alright. By the time Obama's thugs have raped this nation, the Tea Party will look like savage illiterates. Please don't act like you don't know how the media operates, and how this will be explained to the public non-stop for months.

It’s certainly not going to garner support for the best deal we can get.

No deal is the best deal we can get.

While I support that idea, you have to have run things correctly all along for it to work. Boehner hasn't. He has unintentionally/intentionally screwed us into the ground. He hasn't fought Obama with brilliant ideas. He has left his best arguments on the cutting room floor. Obama has outmaneuvered him. Even if Boehner steps down and the best Tea Party person takes control, he's not going to be able to win this one. We lost this one months ago.

Why you chose this opportunity to post something from six months ago that is negative about Boehner baffles me.

Just happened to be going over some old Tiabbi articles on a different topic, ran across this one and found it timely.

Yep, it's timely alright. I'm just surprised to see it here instead of on D.U.

What did you expect to gain by helping to trash Boehner now?

Diminishing him.

And thereby deminishing the only person in a postion to be effective against Obama, just when we need him most.

Do you honestly see a benefit to getting him to step down 72 hours before the budget deal needs to be made?

I don't expect him to step down in 72 hours. I also don't believe we need a deal in 72 hours. This is TARP style phony crisis nonsense. Not falling for it.

I don't give a damn if you're falling for it or not. The public is and you're not helping by doing this.

Huck, when there is no good way out of a situation, fear is a rational reaction. Determining the least damaging way to go forward is the only sane choice.

A media that hasn’t forced Obama to defend his position at all, is not a media that is going to allow what you want to take place to do so.

It’s pointless to continue this exchange.

If the August 2nd debt ceiling deadline passes, you and I can discuss this more as the effects become evident.

Nobody seems to correlate the rising debt ceiling with declining jobs.

The rising debt ceiling has two consequences....

more regulation ...

to occupy employees in expanding federal bureaucracies...which expand because “they have more money” and another layer of bureaucrats need their 20 year promotions... Each round of regulatory expansion is the effective equivalent of another targeted tax increase on the object of the regulation.

more taxes...

The rising debt ceiling has demands and expectations of creditors for new elements of “revenue raising” by the Feds...taxes or fees.

In this strangling environment job creation is simply NOT possible.

In fact the only logical conclusion..can be ..is that the Federal apparatus -initially an asset to the United States..by virtue of its abilities to raise an effective Navy in the late 1700’s, and early 1800’s to facilitate overseas trade on behalf of the States, has become nothing other than the States greatest liability at this point in time. In the absence of profound regulatory and taxation reform-which is not capable of coming from the same minds that created the problem..we may well be at the end of the line.

A media that hasn’t forced Obama to defend his position at all, is not a media that is going to allow what you want to take place to do so.

Regardless of how this plays out, conservatives will be savaged by the MSM. I've lost all concern for what they will do.

The old saying "as well to be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb" comes to mind.

Actually, I agree with your take, the media be damned...

The problem as I see it right now, is that Boehner couldn’t gain the upper hand. The public is blaming Congress. I can’t change that.

Playing hardball thus becomes almost suicidal.

If Obama eeks out a victory in 2012 and the House and Senate both wind up under Democrat control, this nation is over pure and simple.

The Bush and Obama duo will have wound up to be more than the nation could survive.

Talk about your perfect storm...

“Rather then continually blame the GOP leadership for doing the best they can with a weak hand, how about Conservatives finally focus on the real roadblock here”

I keep hearing this stuff about Boehner holding a weak hand. I’m trying to understand (really, no disrespect at all intended). If the Senate doesnt pass the bill the house sends them or if they do and the president doesnt sign...

Then they dont get the money...

We don’t default on anything as there is plenty of revenue to service the dept and pay for whats important.

How is that a bad thing. It seems like a win win situation and the vast majority of the country gets to see just how much the FedGov doesnt matter in their daily lives.

I feel the hand the Speaker holds is a very good one. He has a full house with Aces and Kings but he plays it like he’s holding a pair of twos. This is what make me angry.

Am i missing something? I remember the shut down in the 90’s. Folks were amazed at how little it affected things.

The problem as I see it right now, is that Boehner couldn’t gain the upper hand.

Of course not. He's on a fool's errand. Limbaugh got it right today--this is Ruling Class vs Peasants. They want to isolate and weaken the tea party.

I’m not in disagreement on that point. Frankly, I think the Republican party hates the Tea Party members more than the Democrats do. Does the Tea Party truly threaten the Democrat party as long as the Republican party stands in the way? No.

The Republican party is exposed for what it is right now. Unfortunately, I think we’re stuck with this situation until more Tea Party members are elected. Then at some point, they become the Republican party majority and do actually become a threat to the Democrats.

The Republican elites are in a fight to the death with the Tea Party, pure and simple.

It sure is nice to see the Republican party elites exposed for what they are though.