That is a moot point because the issue of slavery has been Federalized by constitutional amendment. Right now, the Federal Government has the final say about slavery in ALL 50 States.
Is that what you want?
"One Federal Law Fits All" regarding abortion?
Do you really want the issue of abortion to be Federalized?
Think about that very carefully before you give your Final Answer.
Do you really want to surrender that much power to the Federal Government because you naively believe that you will control the Federal Government in regards to this issue instead of the Federal Government controlling you in regards to this issue?
If abortion is Federalized, with the current moral climate in America, an "Abortion Amendment" will be one GUARANTEEING abortion, not outlawing it.
That is just the political reality of 21st Century America.
If you force the issue to put abortion under "One Law Fits All", you will be enshrining legal abortion in ALL 50 States, regardless of what the people of Texas want, just like the 14th Amendment enshrined the abolition of slavery in ALL States, regardless of what the people of Texas wanted in the 1860's.
I respectfully disagree with slavery and believe the unborn are due the full protections accorded under the 14th amendment. Yes, the 10th is important, but a child in NY is no less valuable than one in TX.
See Post 20.
You will never stop a single abortion by living in a Fantasy World where you actually believe that what you think or what I think or what our mothers-in-law think about the 14th Amendment amounts to anything more than a bucket of warm spit.
In the Real World, with real consequences, what you think or what I think about the 14th Amendment and $1.29 gets us nothing more than a cup of coffee at McDonalds.
The fact remains that, under the Constitution, the only entity that can actually legally stop an abortion is a State. The U.S. Government can refuse to pay for an abortion with taxpayer's money but only a State can actually outlaw an abortion.
You can argue about the 14th Amendment until you are blue in the face but the fact remains that a branch of the Federal Government took the 14th and perverted it out of all recognition to ALLOW abortion in all 50 States REGARDLESS of the mandates of the Tenth Amendment.
What you think or what I think cannot stop a single abortion.
Maintaining and expanding the State's Right authority of the Tenth Amendment CAN stop an abortion ...... at least in the States that want to stop abortions.
Once you take abortion decisions completely out of the hands of the States and hand it over to the Federal Government, you will achieve your ideal scenario of all States having exactly the same law on this issue.
However, I will guarantee you that you will NOT .... repeat, ..... NOT like the result.
"Abortion is hereby recognized as a constitutional right. Neither Congress nor any State shall make any law prohibiting or restricting the free exercise a woman's right to an abortion under any circumstances" ..... Twenty-eigth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution making abortion no longer a States' Rights issue under the Tenth Amendment.
“That is a moot point because the issue of slavery has been Federalized by constitutional amendment. Right now, the Federal Government has the final say about slavery in ALL 50 States.”
And I am arguing that the 14th applies also to unborn children.
“Is that what you want?”
I don’t see any other way to ensure that children across the US are protected by law. I don’t see how having it legal in one state and illegal in another is a workable solution. Does a child stop becomeing a child just because her mother crosses the state line?
“Do you really want to surrender that much power to the Federal Government because you naively believe that you will control the Federal Government in regards to this issue instead of the Federal Government controlling you in regards to this issue?”
As it is right now, states can’t do anything. Constitutionally they have zero power. I’d like to see an outright ban across America.
“If abortion is Federalized, with the current moral climate in America, an “Abortion Amendment” will be one GUARANTEEING abortion, not outlawing it.”
It’s already guaranteed as a constitutional right. By the Supremes. So what’s your point here?
“That is just the political reality of 21st Century America.”
The majority of the people are against abortion in America and believe it ought to be banned.
“If you force the issue to put abortion under “One Law Fits All”, you will be enshrining legal abortion in ALL 50 States, regardless of what the people of Texas want, just like the 14th Amendment enshrined the abolition of slavery in ALL States, regardless of what the people of Texas wanted in the 1860’s.”
Horseshit. Has it ever been put up to a vote? Do you believe that the American people voted in the present situation? No. I believe that Americans are solidly behind the ban and that the worthless cowards of the last 27 years have condemened 50 million children to death.
Like Dr. King, I ask, “when?” When are we going to see justice? For all of God’s children not just some?
I respectfully disagree with slavery and believe the unborn are due the full protections accorded under the 14th amendment. Yes, the 10th is important, but a child in NY is no less valuable than one in TX.
“You will never stop a single abortion by living in a Fantasy World where you actually believe that what you think or what I think or what our mothers-in-law think about the 14th Amendment amounts to anything more than a bucket of warm spit.”
Actually, yeah. I have a damn dream and I’m not going to piss it away because folks like you believe that it can’t be done. Rubbish.
Everyone who believes that the unborn are really persons believe they deserve the full protection of the 14th.
“The fact remains that, under the Constitution, the only entity that can actually legally stop an abortion is a State. The U.S. Government can refuse to pay for an abortion with taxpayer’s money but only a State can actually outlaw an abortion.”
Uh, the Supremes could strike the bill down today. The Federal government has jurisdiction via the 14th over persons. If the Supremes strike down Roe and confirm that the unborn are legal persons, then the States have to conform with the laws of the land.
We’ve been Judicial slaves now for close to 40 years.
“branch of the Federal Government took the 14th and perverted it out of all recognition to ALLOW abortion in all 50 States REGARDLESS of the mandates of the Tenth Amendment.”
Do you believe that the use of the 14th is an illegitimate use by the federal government to protect unborn children across America? Yes or no?
“What you think or what I think cannot stop a single abortion.”
Absolutely horseshit. What I believe has stopped abortions. I know that for a fact.
“Maintaining and expanding the State’s Right authority of the Tenth Amendment CAN stop an abortion ...... at least in the States that want to stop abortions.”
As I said, it would amount to admitting that the unborn aren’t really persons, because a state could take their rights away.
I don’t believe that the ultimate compromise will net anything positive. America has two choices in front of it. If they choose to cling to abortion, they will die and be replaced by another nation that is more faithful to God. We know this. God is already punishing America. Do you not think that 50 million more American voters could have turned the tide in ‘08?
“Once you take abortion decisions completely out of the hands of the States and hand it over to the Federal Government, you will achieve your ideal scenario of all States having exactly the same law on this issue.”
They already do at present.
“Abortion is hereby recognized as a constitutional right. Neither Congress nor any State shall make any law prohibiting or restricting the free exercise a woman’s right to an abortion under any circumstances” ..... Twenty-eigth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution making abortion no longer a States’ Rights issue under the Tenth Amendment.”
Roe already has established that abortion throughout nine months of pregnancy is a constitutional right.