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To: Yaelle
Nope. It’s hard to lose your US citizenship. The USA does not care if you are granted citizenship in another country by birth, adoption, or marriage. Who cares what laws the other country has about dual citizenship? Just because that country doesn’t recognize his USA citizenship does not affect his citizenship.

I didn't characterize it as "easy" or "hard". I'm simply saying what the law was, and in Obama's case describing it based on the statutes and case law prior to the 1986 statutory amendments, the time relevant to Obama. You seem to be repeating some talking points you picked up secondhand somewhere which are not accurate.

Obama became Indonesian, if he did, by virtue of his mother’s marriage. He was a minor. So he never had to apply for it or swear allegiance to it.

I NEVER SAID Obama had to apply for or swear allegiance when he gained Indonesian citizenship at the time of his adoption by Lolo Soetoro. Did you read my post? I'm referring to actions that might have been taken by Obama under Section 1481(a) of the INA and the cases interpreting that statute (again, prior to the 1986 legislative changes) that could have resulted in his expatriation in the late 1970s or early 1980s, long AFTER he would have gained Indonesian citizenship.

110 posted on 07/31/2011 2:19:20 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss

This can be a difficult question in a case where both countries allow dual citizenship. A court might say, yes he did something to affirm allegiance to the other country, but maybe his intention was to continue to be a dual citizen, as allowed by both countries.

“In the case where the other country does not allow dual citizenship, then the intention question becomes much clearer. In that case, if the subject intended to affirm allegiance to the other country, then he necessarily intended to relinquish alligience to the US.

“Because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship, if Obama did something after he was old enough to know what he was doing that affirmed allegiance or nationality to Indonesia, such as obtain or renew an Indonesian passport, or maybe even just holding himself out as an Indonesian citizen (for example on an application for college admission or financial assistance), then he might well have lost his US citizenship automatically by that action.”

Quoting the relevant stuff in your prior post that I was responding to. Mostly we agree. But it’s a myth that having your child become a citizen of another country due to his parentage or your marriage is considered affiliation to that foreign country by the USA. It is not. Conferred citizenship NEVER takes anything away from your USA citizenship.

That is part one, occurring when Obama was quite young. Part two is what happens when he comes back home, and perhaps asks for a renewal of his Indonesian passport when he’s over 18. He probably did this before his college years trip to Indonesia and pahkeestahn. Again, since his Indonesian passport and citizenship mean nothing to the USA (although these days I bet the state Dept pays closer attn to which Americans do renew their passports to known terror countries), he can renew this passport without even slightly risking his citizenship here. This happens all the time to dual citizens.

Renewing a passport to a foreign country is not considered one of the possible acts that can automatically lose you your US citizenship. Some acts that are: voting in that country, which is routinely overlooked when Mexican Americans do just that; and serving in foreign armies, which was for sure overlooked in the 60s, 70s, when many young Jewish Americans went to Israel to fight for the IDF, including my cousin. So there was leeway for Obama to do all sorts of things and he probably never would have been caught anyway.

HOWEVER, you are onto something that is HUGE. If the American people understood that Barack Obama asked for a passport renewal for another country AS AN ADULT, he would be finished as a candidate for President. We do NOT want our leader to have, as an adult, made the choice to be under another flag. He is definitely unfit to be our President if he did that, which I believe he did.


111 posted on 07/31/2011 8:21:17 PM PDT by Yaelle
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