Vanity: Have We Reached the Point of No Return in Politics?

August 1, 2011 | Self

[buccaneer81]

Ditto that with Ohio.

[C.O. Correspondence]

@ Post 60.

“We aren’t going to change anything until we have control of all 3 branches, with a super majority in the senate. If we fail at that in 2012, we’re done.”

Might be that the other side isn’t going to wait until 2012. Things look bleak for them and they have shown that they will not give an inch without getting a mile in return.

[Dead Corpse]

Might wanna check your watch. It’s runnin’ slow.

[tomkat]

I don't disagree

[ctdonath2]

“I wouldn’t count on the Internet. How fast do you think the FedGov will smack the Big Red Button for the Internet Kill-switch”

Seems a good sign it’s time to get off the computer.

[sport]

What Congress is doing moves the collapse from the “if” column to the “when” column.

[sport]

I will believe that obama has lost the support of the young and Independent voters the day after the election results are in. The “polls” don’t mean squat.

[Rockingham]

Polls have two different uses. The public sees them as an guide to who is ahead or behind and likely to eventually win. Political pros use polls to look for strengths and weaknesses and for where to allocate resources and what kind of effort to make.

In this latter sense, Obama is in trouble in that key segments of the base that elected him are now disaffected. As Obama's strategists have no doubt pointed out, his best chance to win is likely to be to wage a negative campaign that makes his opponent unelectable. I think that was part of the calculations behind his contrived debt limit crisis.

[mo]

Nobody in DC wants to correlate the rising debt ceiling with declining jobs.

The rising debt ceiling has two consequences....

more regulation ...

to occupy employees in expanding federal bureaucracies...which expand because “they have more money” and another layer of bureaucrats need their 20 year promotions... Each round of regulatory expansion is the effective equivalent of another targeted tax increase on the object of the regulation.

more taxes...

The rising debt ceiling has demands and expectations of creditors for new elements of “revenue raising” by the Feds...taxes or fees.

In this strangling environment job creation is simply NOT possible.

In fact the only logical conclusion..can be ..is that the Federal apparatus -initially an asset to the United States..by virtue of its abilities to raise an effective Navy in the late 1700’s, and early 1800’s to facilitate overseas trade on behalf of the States, has become nothing other than the States greatest liability at this point in time. In the absence of profound regulatory and taxation reform-which is not capable of coming from the same minds that created the problem..we may well be at the end of the line.

For DC to face this fact...means the end of the K St-Congressional Party cycle in DC-the one that keeps repeating “2.4Trillion” as their mantra.

IMHO...the only solution is a 50 state secession from DC at this point...with a completely new “Constitutional Re-Federalization”...

[Nowhere Man]

I have been thinking about how all revolutionary change has to begin with martyrs. Some of these people have felt alone in their feelings and have been alienated so much that they snap and end up as the martyr.

I've started really to have that take since the 1995 OKC bombings where just before Tim McVeigh was executed, he basically said that in his mind, the score was 167 to 1 (him). Even though he was executed, he saw himself as a martyr and even victor.

I've studied a little psychology and sociology when I was in college. There was a student of the famous psychologist Carl Jung, his name was Erich Neumann where his theory was that there are really no victims in the minds of these people, only targets. These targets are made to be seen as unpopular and "undesirable" generally by their actions. Another Freeper made this point after the Arizona shooting. First off, Congressmen and politicians in general are less popular and seen in a worse light than even used car salesmen and rattlesnakes. When the approval and popularity ratings get that low, there is always an added chance that they will attract the lone nuts who are not too well grounded in family life, no friends and so on. Don't get me wrong, I am not justifying any of this but I do understand that we seem to be in the early part of a cycle where if it isn't stopped, you will get generally otherwise sane people, when they have nothing to lose, then all Hell breaks loose. Some people will then act out, others might do things like commit suicide.

I worry that the loss of liberties and the fall from our Constitution will bring more and more people to feel this alienation. Has anyone seen the threads about that fellow that set himself on fire? I wouldn’t go to that extent but I really felt for him when I read his suicide note.

I'm the same way, I feel for a lot of these people who feel there is no other way to turn but suicide. It reminds me of the 1983 movie "Country" where there was one guy who was friend with the main characters where he was losing his farm and Sam Shepard saw him in the barn with his rifle and he was holding his cat. Shepard was trying to comfort his friend but when he left, he saw the cat follow him out followed by his friend shooting himself. We could see more of that too. I had a friend, his father was in the Indiana State patrol and they remember the 1980's farm crisis.

I think we will see a loss of liberties too, possibly. It is already happening in Europe as we just saw.

What do you think will be the turning-point for the nation when we give up on the GOP and decide to make the changes ourselves?

I don't know, maybe when people realize they cannot have the good life anymore, That is hard to say. The problem we have is that we cannot have a third party since we do not have a parlementary system. At least in those cases, the third party can make the #2 party see enough reason to form a coalition to counter the dominant party.

My father long ago, in the early 1970's even, said that we will see a day of reckoning like this.

I’m a newbie here myself and I can tell you all that it’s is good to know I’m not the only person worried about CWII. I wondered if it was “just me” for some time.

Well, it seems a lot of us are worried about it. Myself, I have been wondering about it since 1995 or so although it got kicked into high gear after the 2000 election debacle and so on from there. BTW, welcome aboard.

[Nowhere Man]

Send all the libs to Manhattan. The can build all their choo-choo trains and urban planning crap there. Wall it off and be done with it. FDR did it with the Japs, we can do it with the libs. I’ve had it “up to here” with this crap.

Snake Plisskin, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

[Nowhere Man]

There is always CB and amateur radio.

[Impy]

The left has always wanted us to be socialists but at least willing to push for changes that did little or no damage to our countries economy or its military status

I disagree. They have been hurting both a lot, for many decades.

[C.O. Correspondence]

Thanks for the welcome. Also for your views and insights. I have to say that I agree with every point you made.

I need to check out that movie “Country”. It sounds very interesting.

What got me thinking about the possibility of CWII was reading the “Out of the Ashes” series by William W. Johnstone. I picked the first book up when I was 14 and it gave me a new perspective on our country that was not a part of my public school indoctrination. From then on I’ve kept my eyes open and stayed quiet.

Kudos to you and others like you!

[Nowhere Man]

Thanks for the welcome. Also for your views and insights. I have to say that I agree with every point you made. I need to check out that movie “Country”. It sounds very interesting.

What got me thinking about the possibility of CWII was reading the “Out of the Ashes” series by William W. Johnstone. I picked the first book up when I was 14 and it gave me a new perspective on our country that was not a part of my public school indoctrination. From then on I’ve kept my eyes open and stayed quiet.

Kudos to you and others like you!

I read a couple of the "Ashes" series too, I would love to get he whole series. I love Johnstone's work. I often use General Ben Raines in my examples.

I also like another series by Jerry Ahern called "The Survivalist" too.

Getting back to Johnstone, reading his books made me think about things too.

[C.O. Correspondence]

“I read a couple of the “Ashes” series too, I would love to get he whole series. I love Johnstone’s work. I often use General Ben Raines in my examples.

I also like another series by Jerry Ahern called “The Survivalist” too.

Getting back to Johnstone, reading his books made me think about things too.”

I think I read the first 17 or so of those novels. Isn’t the main character named Eric Ravenwood or something like that? He had a obsession with gerber knives. I hadn’t thought of that series in at least a decade.