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To: IbJensen
I really don't believe that representative government, of the kind we had nearer our founding, would have served us much better than that which we currently have which is closer to a democracy.

Politicians either serve their puppet masters or their constituents. If their puppet masters are greedy short-term focused a-holes and their constituents are lazy short-term focused parasites then they will make the same decisions regardless of how they got into office.

Somehow believing that senators chosen by governors would be smarter or more honorable than senators chosen by citizens is wishful thinking.

Focusing any attention on whether or not the electoral system is undermined by efforts to get states to have all their electors vote for the candidate with the most votes is also wasteful. Just look at past history and the candidate with the most electors has almost always been the candidate with the most votes.

The real estate bubble was a perfect example of how everyone, from the bottom to the top, participated in a massive Ponzi scheme to everyone's disadvantage except the few at the top. We are no smarter than the stupid Albanians who got caught up in their Ponzi scheme a decade before us.

The only real alternative to a system based on voting by the people is something like a monarchy. Something like they have in China and Singapore. It may turn out that those types of governments work out better in the long run, but that's just not going to happen in the US unless we have total economic collapse.

I agree that we shouldn't be spending any money shoving democracy down the throats of any other countries. That is decidedly un-conservative. Only the modern day Wilsonian neo-cons are still daft enough to support that.

Instead of hoping for some hail mary pass like a balanced budget amendment, term limits, or enforcement of the 9th and 10th amendments we need to work each bill on a case-by-case basis to weed out the bad ones and help through the good ones.

The good news about a democracy is that everyone has the opportunity to become part of the shadow puppet master ruling class. All you need to do is forget that you are an American, see America not as a country to defend but a carcass to scavenge, and start acting like a vulture.

Either that or give up, go on welfare, and spend your days drinking cheap beer in front of the TV.

16 posted on 08/03/2011 8:47:53 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
...that's just not going to happen in the US unless we have total economic collapse.

Fasten your seatbelts everyone!

19 posted on 08/03/2011 9:03:04 AM PDT by IbJensen (God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made politicians.)
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