Skip to comments.Fed case calling Illinois gun laws illegal getting hearing
Posted on 08/04/2011 7:02:55 AM PDT by marktwain
SPRINGFIELD A two-front push is being made in Illinois to weaken some of the most restrictive gun regulation laws in the country.
Gun-rights advocates claim that Illinois is violating the Second Amendment by prohibiting Illinois residents from being able to, in some fashion, carry a firearm in public. A hearing on one such case, in which Michael Moore, of Champaign, and the Second Amendment Foundation Inc., a gun-rights advocacy group, are suing Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan's office and the state of Illinois, is scheduled Thursday in the U.S. District Court in Springfield.
Recent events around the nation could give gun-rights advocates the momentum they need to win a fight thats time and again seen them on the losing side.
Wisconsin passed a concealed carry law earlier this year, leaving Illinois the only state that prohibits nearly everyone from carrying a firearm, concealed or not, anywhere that is not their property or another persons property with permission.
Madigans office argues in court filings that the state is following constitutional law, because a person isnt outlawed from owning a firearm, just limited in the manner he can wield it.
A nearly identical lawsuit with nearly identical arguments is unfolding in a U.S. District Court in southern Illinois. The Illinois State Rifle Association, or ISRA, a group dedicated to furthering firearm rights and affiliated with the National Rifle Association, or NRA, is backing both cases but is only a plaintiff in the southern Illinois instance.
ISRA is joined by Mary Shepard as the plaintiffs in the lawsuit against Madigan and the state of Illinois.
We have a very strong case, Todd Vandermyde, a NRA lobbyist, said. When you look at some of the briefs that have been filed by the state and attorney general and some of the arguments they are trying to make, I think it is clear they are very, very nervous.
Vandermyde specifically pointed to an argument made Madigans office that since the state doesnt outlaw openly carrying a loaded gun outside of cities, towns and other incorporated parts of counties, there is not full scale prohibition.
The laws being challenged here are reasonable measures to ensure public safety and do not violate the constitution, said Maura Possley, a spokeswoman for Madigan.
Possley declined to comment further because the cases are ongoing.
A recent court decision indicates how gun bans are being found to be unconstitutional. One such case happened in Chicago where the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the city's handgun ban in a ruling that recognized a person's right to have a handgun that can be used for self-defense in the home.
In response, the Chicago City Council required people to be trained at a shooting range if they wanted to own a handgun. Then the council made shooting ranges illegal in city limits.
Judge Ilana Diamond Rovner, of the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago, said the court overturned the citys regulations because the court equated it to a thumbing of the municipal nose at the Supreme Court.
Those two decisions followed a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that ended Washington, D.C.s gun ban in 2008.
Nearly every year in recent history some lawmakers in the General Assembly take up the case of repealing the concealed carry ban only to see it die for lack of support.
This spring, a concealed carry proposal garnered a vote of 65-52 in the Illinois House. The measure didnt pass, however, because of a technicality that required it to get a supermajority, or 71 votes, in the House to pass.
IL seems to have draconian restrictions on a non-resident transporting a gun through the state too.
Madiganistan and Quinnoccio the Puppet Governor will block gun rights at every turn.
Hey, Michael Moore’s good for something after all!
I hate these de-facto prohibitions.
since the government can grant permission for carrying it is not unconsitutional DESPITE the fact that the government NEVER gives permission.
>since the government can grant permission for carrying it is not unconsitutional DESPITE the fact that the government NEVER gives permission.
Check this case out:
Illinois doesn’t need a law allowing for the carrying of firearms, it needs to repeal the laws currently on the books. In nearly every state the “right” to carry a concealed firearm comes with a whole long list of “off limits” places and other BS requirements such as training, bacground checks, compulsary disclosure when contacted by LEO, age requirements, and tieing the CCW database to vehicle registrations or drivers license #’s. None of those things should be attached to a fundamental human right.
Thankfully, most of those laws and restrictions only apply to concealed carry and not unlicensed open carry which is, more often than not, not specifically prohibited in the state-level “off limits” places. Per the supreme court, unless there’s a “stop and ID” law in your state you don’t even have to carry or hand over an ID if stopped by the police for OC, absent a crime occuring.