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Obama Administration Exempting Schools From Federal Law’s Testing Mandate
AP/CNS News ^ | Monday, August 08, 2011 | DONNA GORDON BLANKINSHIP

Posted on 08/08/2011 5:29:01 AM PDT by markomalley

State and local education officials have been begging the federal government for relief from student testing mandates in the federal No Child Left Behind law, but school starts soon and Congress still hasn't answered the call.

Education Secretary Arne Duncan says he will announce a new waiver system Monday to give schools a break.

The plan to offer waivers to all 50 states, as long as they meet other school reform requirements, comes at the request of President Barack Obama, Duncan said. More details on the waivers will come in September, he said.

The goal of the No Child Left Behind law is to have every student proficient in math and reading by 2014. States have been required to bring more students up to the math and reading standards each year, based on tests that usually take place each spring. The step-by-step ramping up of the 9-year-old law has caused heartburn in states and most school districts, because more and more schools are labeled as failures as too few of their students meet testing goals.

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KEYWORDS: arneduncan; atlanta; bhofascism; cheating; education; nclb; nochildleftbehind; obama; obamayouth; publiceducation; publicschools; schools; teachers; unions
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Can't meet the standards, so remove the standards. Sounds perfectly logical to me (/s)
1 posted on 08/08/2011 5:29:04 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

In their eyes, this must be better than teachers cheating. Too much work otherwise.


2 posted on 08/08/2011 5:32:35 AM PDT by battlecry
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To: markomalley

Public schools lower standards, refuse to maintain discipline, and exclude parental involvement. The results are predictable.


3 posted on 08/08/2011 5:38:55 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: markomalley

My cynical side suspects that those exempted schools will be those whose students the law was designed to not “leave behind” but whose parents are more interested in the free breakfast and lunch programs than in whether Jr. can read or multiply.


4 posted on 08/08/2011 5:39:11 AM PDT by Jedidah (I'll vote for an earthworm before I'll vote for Obama. So wiggle on in, Rick Perry.)
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To: markomalley

Losers attempting to ensure an increasing number of losers.

(If we want an intelligent electorate, education MUST be reformed.)


5 posted on 08/08/2011 5:41:57 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SC_Pete

My experience with public schools — and it is considerable — is that they have little control over students whose parents don’t care.

And they are many.

They not only encourage, but beg, for parental involvement, but parents have better things to do than rear their own kids.

And, as you said, the results are predictable.


6 posted on 08/08/2011 5:42:02 AM PDT by Jedidah (I'll vote for an earthworm before I'll vote for Obama. So wiggle on in, Rick Perry.)
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To: markomalley

I am still wondering why we have a Federal Education law for STATE schools to be concerned over.


7 posted on 08/08/2011 5:42:57 AM PDT by Misplaced Texan (July 4, 2009 - the first day of the 2nd Revolution!)
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To: markomalley

Incredible. While a lot of Freepers criticized this program on principle, this was one of Bush’s few effective measures and did result in improvements in state-run schools educational standards and the use of education dollars.

So now because a bunch of fat-butted loser government teachers in Atlanta got caught cheating - cheating the kids more than anybody else - we have to get rid of the main objective of the law. Of course, the extra money they got to assist with compliance will keep on coming.


8 posted on 08/08/2011 5:45:53 AM PDT by livius
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To: Misplaced Texan

Maybe because the states have done such a crappy job that it’s affected the country as a whole, causing the Feds to step in?


9 posted on 08/08/2011 5:46:20 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: markomalley
NCLB is a joke! You can't teach kids who do not want to be taught. In past years these kids would simply drop out. Now they stay in the classroom, and waste teachers time with misconduct. It hurts the kids that are there to learn...

Mike

10 posted on 08/08/2011 5:46:54 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: MichaelP

I see.....so we should just get rid of truancy laws? Maybe we should get rid of compulsary education all together?


11 posted on 08/08/2011 5:58:38 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: markomalley
Can't meet the standards, so remove the standards. Sounds perfectly logical to me (/s)

Can't meet the standards, ignore the standards. Obama is one of the biggest ignoramuses ever to occupy the White House.
12 posted on 08/08/2011 6:01:12 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: markomalley

No Child was legislation that was passed into law. I really have to question another one of these Obama by fiat being a legal move to bypass legislation. It would seem that another bill would have to be written approved by both chambers and signed by a president.


13 posted on 08/08/2011 6:10:41 AM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: nuconvert

That is why they have “alternate” schools for the kids who don’t want to learn. It gets them out of the way of those who do.


14 posted on 08/08/2011 6:14:41 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: aruanan

Standards are so mean! What about self esteem, those nasty standards make some kids fail and that damages their self esteem. s/


15 posted on 08/08/2011 6:15:47 AM PDT by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: Jedidah
I teach American and British literature at an inner-city style high public school. I say inner-city style because we are a small Ohio Valley public school (around 700 high school students total), yet we have issues with gang violence, truancy, pregnancy, drugs, and firearms. What you stated is very true. My comrades make the same claim, yet they do not acknowledge that their politics are part of the problem. The problem is that for decades schools and unions have hailed “free” money for more social programs: free preschool, free daycare for students’ kids, free lunches and breakfasts, free snacks for school and home, free school supplies, and fines and fees waivers. Schools and unions have taken these handouts which make parents obsolete, and then bi+ch when parents aren't involved in their children's academic lives. Heck, most preschools in our area no longer require a child to be potty trained. Why would a parent potty train a child? That is not a problem that a parent should concern themselves with! My husband and I will be homeschooling our children by the way. Of course, that has already begun with our (almost) three-year-old son. We consider him an average kid, but he is above average in our area because he knows his ABC's, 123’s, and is beginning phonics. Most parents, which is a loose term for them, do not teach their children these things. That is what Dora, Diego, and free preschool is for.
16 posted on 08/08/2011 6:20:44 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: markomalley

later


17 posted on 08/08/2011 6:36:32 AM PDT by quintr
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To: Jedidah

Exactly, many parents just use school as a daycare center


18 posted on 08/08/2011 6:38:57 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: ilovesarah2012

They must not be in the ‘alternative schools’ if they’re “ kids who do not want to be taught” and “waste(ing) teachers time with misconduct”


19 posted on 08/08/2011 6:43:37 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Jedidah

The voucher movement is the only rational way to break the cycle—and after 60 years of Teacher Union control and liberal indoctrination, the effects on our society will take another 60 years to undo.


20 posted on 08/08/2011 6:54:28 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Misplaced Texan
I am still wondering why we have a Federal Education law for STATE schools to be concerned over.

To get our money back that we send to Washington every year. That way, they can mandate free day care, free lunch, free breakfast, diversity training, sensitivity training, sexual deviant training, global warming training, sustainability training, choo choo training, etc. We send a dollar in taxes and get back 60 cents but we get to support a host of bureaucrats along the way.

21 posted on 08/08/2011 7:02:59 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: nuconvert

Well, they should be. I know where my kids went to high school there were two alternative schools for the troublemakers. From what I could see, it was a way to conform to the requirements that they attend school, but there was very little learning going on. “Out of sight, out of mind”.


22 posted on 08/08/2011 7:27:41 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: MichaelP

Many don’t understand how NCLB works. States set standards for what they expect kids to master at each grade level. Each year the number of kids who must be rated “Profcient” or higher is raised. This year the number was set at 75 percent. (in 2014 it will be 100 percent.)

No one really believes it is possible to achieve this. Logic tells us that half of the population at large is below average in intelligence. Some are far below average, yet we are expected to get them to basically work at grade level. On a personal note, I have 8th graders who are reading at an 11th or 12th grade level and some as you might expect, read at a 4th grade level on their best days.

So what are we to do? Some schools, like Atlanta choose to cheat. Some states have tried to lower the standards—states that had high standards before NCLB got hammered by its yearly rise in what constitutes a passing grade. Many schools now devote their entire curriculum and classroom day to passing the test. Many elementary schools are dropping classes like history since it’s not on the test.

And even then, most schools fail to meet the standard. This year 16 percent of Missouri school districts passed NCLB. And it is not enough that 75 percent of your students pass...75 percent of students on free/reduced lunches have to pass, 75 percent of identifiable minorities (which includes blacks, Asians, Indians, Eskimos, Aleuts, and Pacific Islanders if memory serves) have to pass, 75 percent of limited English speakers have to pass and 75 percent of IEP students (that’s “special Ed) also have to pass.

Just thought some of you would be interested in why so many schools are not meeting NCLB standards. In a couple of years none will.


23 posted on 08/08/2011 7:48:21 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: markomalley

Obama and his liberal followers are rapidly turning America into a country of losers.


24 posted on 08/08/2011 9:30:00 AM PDT by mandaladon (PalinGenesis)
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To: markomalley
Up to now, Duncan and Obama have been in favor of testing. They've actually taken quite a bit of heat from the far left for it.

I see this reversal today as pure pandering for votes. Obama is bleeding liberal support and he is going to do more of these types of things to get it back. He is SCUM (but we already knew that).

25 posted on 08/08/2011 9:40:55 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: markomalley

No Child Left Behind = All Children Left Behind


26 posted on 08/08/2011 9:59:36 AM PDT by spaced
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To: markomalley

Obama needs his followers dumb and clueless. Pretty soon learning to read will be a privilege.


27 posted on 08/08/2011 10:05:52 AM PDT by eak3
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To: hanamizu
Many schools now devote their entire curriculum and classroom day to passing the test.

What am I missing here?

Since the tests are supposed to measure what the curriculum is supposed to teach, isn't that what they should be doing - teaching the students the material needed to pass the test?

If there's any mismatch, they can either change the tests to match what's being taught or change the curriculum to match what's being tested.

28 posted on 08/08/2011 10:12:18 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Jedidah

“My experience with public schools — and it is considerable — is that they have little control over students whose parents don’t care.”

And WAY to much control over students whose parents DO care!


29 posted on 08/08/2011 10:14:04 AM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (I have a liberal arts degree, do you want fries with that?)
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To: ilovesarah2012
That is why they have “alternate” schools for the kids who don’t want to learn. It gets them out of the way of those who do.

Alternative schools are upheld to the same state tests. Unfortunately, in our county the test scores at the alternative high school lead to the entire county being found 'failing.'

30 posted on 08/08/2011 10:21:35 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: goodwithagun
We consider him an average kid, but he is above average in our area because he knows his ABC's, 123’s, and is beginning phonics. Most parents, which is a loose term for them, do not teach their children these things. That is what Dora, Diego, and free preschool is for.

The sad part is that in a couple of decades when your son is earning a good income or running his own business, the losers who did not want to study or who's parents did not teach them will be the ones out voting for the 'Obamas' crying for your son to 'do his fair share' and give them his hard earned money...
31 posted on 08/08/2011 10:36:47 AM PDT by battousai (Conservatives are racist? YES, I hate stupid white liberals.)
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To: Jedidah

...where do you go to school son?
...Obama elementary...
...how old are you?
...36...


32 posted on 08/08/2011 10:50:36 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: Bob

Well, one thing is, do you want the curriculum to be set by local districts or by the state board of education? Since I started teaching 30 years ago the trend has been toward state control of curriculum. There are some who are wanting to see it become federal control. There is a saying (don’t know that it is true) that a Frenchman can look at his watch and know what lesson is being taught in every classroom in the country. That is not how we have approached education in this nation.

I expect that if you are more than 30 years old, what you were taught was decided at the local level—perhaps even by your teacher or administrators in your local district. The requirement of state standardized tests leads to a state standardized curriculum.


33 posted on 08/08/2011 11:03:48 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: Bob

Well, one thing is, do you want the curriculum to be set by local districts or by the state board of education? Since I started teaching 30 years ago the trend has been toward state control of curriculum. There are some who are wanting to see it become federal control. There is a saying (don’t know that it is true) that a Frenchman can look at his watch and know what lesson is being taught in every classroom in the country. That is not how we have approached education in this nation.

I expect that if you are more than 30 years old, what you were taught was decided at the local level—perhaps even by your teacher or administrators in your local district. The requirement of state standardized tests leads to a state standardized curriculum.


34 posted on 08/08/2011 11:06:34 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: livius
While a lot of Freepers criticized this program on principle, this was one of Bush’s few effective measures and did result in improvements in state-run schools educational standards and the use of education dollars.

So now because a bunch of fat-butted loser government teachers in Atlanta got caught cheating

How do you know it resulted in improvements? You think Atlanta is the only district cheating?

The cheating was the most predictable outcome of this boondoggle law.

35 posted on 08/08/2011 11:19:49 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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36 posted on 08/08/2011 11:41:09 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: nuconvert

“Maybe because the states have done such a crappy job that it’s affected the country as a whole, causing the Feds to step in?”

The stupid kids get to vote. That’s why we have Obama in charge.


37 posted on 08/08/2011 12:30:30 PM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: hanamizu
You need to stress that the ESOL students are usually illegal immigrants, or those whose parents have chosen not to assimilate (learn the language and speak their native language at home), and that the IEP students are handicapped (Dyslexic, emotionally handicapped, or learning disabled). The failure can come in any of these groups, or one of the ethnic groups you have listed. A school can have 95% to 100% of the remaining students who meet goals, but if any one of the aforementioned groups does not meet the 75% goal, the entire school fails. Some school systems have set up separate schools for these groups, so their regular schools don't suffer.
38 posted on 08/08/2011 12:32:06 PM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: hanamizu

The Jeffersonians may not want to accept it but the countries that are beating us in math and science all have strong national standards.


39 posted on 08/08/2011 12:34:25 PM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: markomalley

Originally, Bush was to have the failing schools to allow parents to choose their own schools, if the school didn’t pass and have enough kids on track.

He caved to Teddy, and it didn’t make it into the bill.

Now, it is being dismantled. Can’t have choice of education for the sheeple.


40 posted on 08/08/2011 12:40:35 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: hanamizu

“No one really believes it is possible to achieve this. Logic tells us that half of the population at large is below average in intelligence. Some are far below average, yet we are expected to get them to basically work at grade level. “

You need to be an Einstein in order to come up with a theory of relativity but you don’t need to have an Einstein IQ in order to master an elementary school curriculum. Just a lot of hard work. That’s the problem with this country. Nobody wants to do any work and there are some who want want to reward such laziness by offering vocational school offerings.


41 posted on 08/08/2011 12:40:51 PM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: ari-freedom
Once the Federal Department of Education was established mandates from the Federal level have vastly increased. For the small part of funding, school systems have to jump through more hurdles than you can imagine.

Most mandates have been socialist in nature. No Child Left Behind (NCLB)is an example.

NCLB was the brain child of Senator Edward Kennedy, with the agreement of one of our better presidents compromising with the Democrats to try to improve education.

The unions, especially the NEA have tried through the federal level to dictate a socialist curriculum, in an effort to bring the general population into the “progressive family”.

When and only when the Federal Department of Education is abolished, or defunded, will states again gain local control of curriculum.

If thing continue, just as in Europe, every child will be on the same page on the same day of the month, and will take the same test from the federal level, about the material they have learned. National tests will be given to graduate. The problem is that the further you get away from local control, the more socialist the nature of the curriculum.

42 posted on 08/08/2011 12:43:34 PM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: ari-freedom
Most of those beating us up don't teach everyone. You only go to high school if you pass a national exam. Other than that you are moved into a occupational curriculum, and never take the test.

Also a lot of those same countries don't have public education, everyone has to pay.

Remember, until approximately WWI most countries had a defacto caste system, when who you were born to determined what occupation you might aspire to.

43 posted on 08/08/2011 12:47:58 PM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: TruthConquers
In Florida parents have the right to choose the school their child will attend (one that has met adequate yearly progress (AYP) standards), with the district providing the funding to transport them (no matter what the distance is to the chosen school). This includes charter schools that have met adequate yearly progress. The only problem is some charter schools periodically don't meet AYP.
44 posted on 08/08/2011 12:56:20 PM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: markomalley

“other school reform requirements”

which are....


45 posted on 08/08/2011 12:57:21 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: SC_Pete
Lower standards, no-they have repeatedly been raised.

Refuse to discipline, no-legal suits, parent attitudes, removal of the authority of teachers, parents letting their children know that no one but they can discipline them, and again numerous law suits that have removed any idea of in-loco-parentis (not really refusal, but dictates from the federal level). By the way we still paddle in my school district.

Excludes parental involvement, no-parents are really involved until the child is about 11, but once the students move into middle school, or high, they disappear. This is despite numerous, and repeated efforts to get them involved.

I worked in the school system for 35 years, and during the first 12, you did not have “expulsions”. But once the generation came to school that watched TV programs that denigrated education, and repeatedly depicted disruptive children as “cool”, things changed. Now there is not a school board meeting where two or three are being expelled for drug possession, attacks on teachers or staff, repeated disruption, and out right crimes.

Society has changed, and so a school is only as good as those who attend it. that's why I like church education (even they have problems), or private schools, that can expel and discipline.

46 posted on 08/08/2011 1:18:58 PM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: triumphant values

For the first time, Federal dollars were tied to performance. I know that it has helped in some states where there was already a push for standards (such as Florida, where I live) and it has introduced the concept for the first time to certain other states, particularly in the South.

Some states were much stricter in monitoring and had much tighter control of the process; Florida, for example, routinely examines the scores for suspicious “bulges,” and just this year cited something like 5 school districts as places with possible problems. In at least a couple of them, charges were brought against some of the people involved, and the districts lost the money they had been allotted.

Atlanta is a notoriously corrupt city and it’s actually a little surprising that they were even able to investigate it.

So it’s obviously going to be uneven, but at least it’s a step in the right direction. I don’t like public schools in general and think we need vouchers and school options for everybody, but if we have to have them, they should at least be able to produce results.


47 posted on 08/08/2011 2:48:07 PM PDT by livius
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To: markomalley

Did the law not set the standards? Does the law include an exemption clause? Someone explain to me where the education secretary gets his authority to issue waivers from a law passed by the legislature and signed by the President.


48 posted on 08/08/2011 2:58:12 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: livius
For the first time, Federal dollars were tied to performance.

Federal dollars shouldn't be going to education anyway.

Some states were much stricter in monitoring and had much tighter control of the process; Florida, for example, routinely examines the scores for suspicious “bulges,” and just this year cited something like 5 school districts as places with possible problems. In at least a couple of them, charges were brought against some of the people involved, and the districts lost the money they had been allotted.

So Florida had corruption too? I didn't here about that. I did hear of about 15 other places. I also have to assume of course the Florida state officials aren't corrupted (long shot).And I pretty much figure I'm only hearing about the tip of the iceberg.

So it’s obviously going to be uneven, but at least it’s a step in the right direction.

I don't see how creating a whole new Federal program the elicits corruption (which they usually do) is a step in the right direction.

I don’t like public schools in general and think we need vouchers and school options for everybody

School vouchers will do to private and good public schools what Section 8 vouchers did to the inner suburbs.

49 posted on 08/08/2011 3:04:57 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: ari-freedom

The Jeffersonians may not want to accept it but the countries that are beating us in math and science all have strong national standards.

Yes,that may well be true, but we Americans haven’t really had that discussion yet, have we. I seriously doubt that most FReepers want their schools’ curriculum set by the U.S. Dept. Of Education.


50 posted on 08/08/2011 3:28:42 PM PDT by hanamizu
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