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Jacqueline Kennedy Reportedly Believed Lyndon B. Johnson Behind JFK's Assassination
Foxnews.com ^ | August 08, 2011

Posted on 08/08/2011 8:39:30 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

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To: UriÂ’el-2012; oh8eleven; Durus
basic physics

Can one draw an unobstructed straight line from the Book Depository to Dealey Plaza? Yes. There's all the physics information one needs.

the Zapruder film

The Zapruder film contains no data at all that excludes Oswald.

The Zapruder film is also a Rorschach test - a very limited dataset that conspiratorial minds can map all kinds of theories to.

141 posted on 08/08/2011 11:27:14 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Nixon was in Dallas the day before. There are pictures of George HW Bush standing outside the Observatory during the shooting. Story goes that Bush Sr. ran the Bay of Pigs operation from Tx and his "oil" company was a front. That Bush Sr was secret CIA. Bush set up Kennedy killing with involvement from Nixion , Hoover and LJB. Watergate was not to cover up break in but to cover up the guys who broke in , they were involved in Kennedy killing. This is how a one term Congressman , Bush got promoted by Nixon to big jobs like head of RNC and CIA.


142 posted on 08/08/2011 11:31:07 AM PDT by RED SOUTH (If you liked George W. Bush, you will LOVE Rick Perry! Follow me on twitter @redsouth72)
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To: wideawake
According to his records he was once rated as a sharpshooter with an overall 212 (210 is the minimum to make MM which is the middle ranking). His second qualification score was a 191 which, at the time, was only 2 points away from not qualifying, but garnered him a "marksman" rating which is the lowest. Testimony from Nelson Degado (someone that served with Oswald) before the Warren commission, indicates that he was a poor shot.

When Oswald lived in Minsk he belonged to a gun club there and members also reportedly said he was a poor shot.

Let me put it yet another way. Marine Corp Sniper Instructor Carlos Hathcock, who shouldn't need any introduction, examined the shots and tried to duplicate them at Quantico. When constraining the course of fire to be as exact as possible, not one of the marine corp snipers could make those shots.

143 posted on 08/08/2011 11:31:23 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: RED SOUTH

And how Gerald Ford got to be President , he covered up the warren report. when Agnew resigned only someone in on the cover up could be President. Nixon had to skipp over his favorite , John Connally.


144 posted on 08/08/2011 11:36:46 AM PDT by RED SOUTH (If you liked George W. Bush, you will LOVE Rick Perry! Follow me on twitter @redsouth72)
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To: wideawake; oh8eleven; Durus
The Zapruder film contains no data at all that excludes Oswald.

The film shows a low velocity bullet
from behind
and
later a V-Max from the front.

I shoot prairie dogs at 400 yards regularly.


145 posted on 08/08/2011 11:38:05 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: wideawake

I know what my father said. What about that statement don’t you understand? A little girl’s recollection of her father comments of LBJ so threatens you? I find your over-reaction puzzling.


146 posted on 08/08/2011 11:42:59 AM PDT by NEWwoman (God Bless America)
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To: Durus; oh8eleven
According to his records he was once rated as a sharpshooter

Again, it was twice.

Testimony from Nelson Degado

Delgado. Delgado claimed many things, but his claims contradict the established record. In his recorded testimony, Delgado can't keep the ranking of ratings in the Marine Corps straight in his head. For example, you say that 210 is the cutoff point for marksman, while Delgado claims in testimony that 170 is the cutoff point for sharpshooter - one ranking above marksman.

All Delgado is certain of is that he himself was an excellent, excellent marksman.

When Oswald lived in Minsk he belonged to a gun club there and members also reportedly said he was a poor shot.

How many gun clubs were there in Soviet Minsk?

Carlos Hathcock, who shouldn't need any introduction, examined the shots and tried to duplicate them at Quantico

I have yet to see the document in which Hathcock himself directly makes this claim.

Many things are said about Carlos Hathcock, but few are documented outside of official Marine Corps records.

147 posted on 08/08/2011 11:55:13 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: NEWwoman
I know what my father said. What about that statement don’t you understand? A little girl’s recollection of her father comments of LBJ so threatens you? I find your over-reaction puzzling.

Over-reaction?

You made a claim that the documented evidence does not bear out, and I explained why.

148 posted on 08/08/2011 12:00:15 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
That doesn't make him a talented marksman...it means he almost didn't qualify. That is simply a fact.

He "said" it was a highly accurate weapon but his testing data results demonstrate otherwise. (5MOA is not an accurate rifle)

Yes all mass produced weapons have variable quality, however the base quality of a carcano was poor while the base quality of the garand was good. An average garand shot about 2.5 moa or twice as accurate as caraco.

149 posted on 08/08/2011 12:09:55 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; oh8eleven
The film shows a low velocity bullet from behind and later a V-Max from the front.

You are making assumptions about the resolution and the speed of a spring-wound camera that are simply not supportable, even if the camera was not handheld, which it was, and the film interrupted, which it may well have been.

Again, the Zapruder film is as notable for the information which it failed to capture as the information which it did. And the information it did capture is open to multiple interpretations.

150 posted on 08/08/2011 12:11:04 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

I stated what my father told me. And yes, you over-reacted - with several posts. And you were not stating some evidence, but personally attacking my deceased father and me. And I stand by what my father said. You were not there. I was.


151 posted on 08/08/2011 12:12:24 PM PDT by NEWwoman (God Bless America)
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To: NEWwoman
you were not stating some evidence, but personally attacking my deceased father and me

No objective reader of my posts would draw that conclusion.

I will restate the facts:

(1) LBJ's swearing-in was not filmed and took place in an enclosed stateroom on Air Force One.

(2) Because it was not filmed, only ten men could have observed the look in his eyes at that swearing-in (probably fewer, since six of them were standing behind him during the swearing-in).

(3) Therefore, in order to have observed the look in his eyes at the swearing-in, your father would logically have to have been one of those ten men.

(4) Since I have no idea who you or your father are, I have no way of knowing whether your father was one of those ten men or not.

152 posted on 08/08/2011 12:22:41 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
No it wasn't twice. This again is simple to verify. He was ranked once as a sharpshooter (barely) and once as marksman (barely).

Regarding Delgado's testimoney concering Oswalds shooting, it matches that of Oswalds military record in that he simply wasn't a talented shot.

"Let me tell you what we did at Quantico. We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don't know how many times we tried it, but we couldn't duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did". (KILL ZONE, pp. 89-90)

153 posted on 08/08/2011 12:25:09 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

“Let me tell you what we did at Quantico. We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don’t know how many times we tried it, but we couldn’t duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did”. Carlos Hathcock (KILL ZONE, pp. 89-90)


154 posted on 08/08/2011 12:27:09 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: US Navy Vet

So, based on all of the evidence William Holden took out JFK to be with Jackie-O ?


155 posted on 08/08/2011 12:27:09 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: wideawake; oh8eleven
You are making assumptions about the resolution and the speed of a spring-wound camera that are simply not supportable, even if the camera was not handheld, which it was, and the film interrupted, which it may well have been. Again, the Zapruder film is as notable for the information which it failed to capture as the information which it did. And the information it did capture is open to multiple interpretations.

Don't let anyone intrude on your fantasies.

156 posted on 08/08/2011 12:32:01 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Durus
He was ranked once as a sharpshooter (barely) and once as marksman (barely).

Only two ratings from 1956 to 1959?

KILL ZONE, pp. 89-90

So are you asserting that Carlos Hathcock was the author of Kill Zone?

157 posted on 08/08/2011 12:39:30 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Jack Hydrazine; All

Robert Gaylon Ross Sr. interview with Madeleine Duncan Brown

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6962062879996612313#
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link posted yesterday from a similar thread that was pulled. Interview with long-time mistress of LBJ. Long, fact-filled, and the woman seems quite credible.


158 posted on 08/08/2011 12:43:27 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Don't let anyone intrude on your fantasies.

It would be a fantasy to pretend that the Zapruder film was made with modern high-definition resolution and was digitally timed.

Of course, anyone who watches the footage will immediately notice that it has the blurry resolution and shaky frame speed (approximately 18 frames per sec, not a precise 24) one would expect from a camera that was built in the early 1960s and timed by a wind-up mechanism.

159 posted on 08/08/2011 12:47:36 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; wideawake
Don't let anyone intrude on your fantasies.
WTF are you talking about?
You're the one who ascribes to a theory which FIFTY years of scrutiny have proven to be the real fantasy.
Gheeze, get a life.
160 posted on 08/08/2011 12:48:37 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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