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To: dila813

Didn’t we think the same thing about Japanese naval power prior to World War II?


4 posted on 08/12/2011 10:40:28 PM PDT by robertvance
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To: robertvance

Good point, I think China is basically trying to do what the Japanese couldn’t, create the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.


5 posted on 08/12/2011 10:41:44 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: robertvance

History is full of “They couldn’t/wouldn’t possibly...” statements, proven wrong. You reference a good example. It is noteworthy that had the good men at Pearl Harbor not been caught asleep, the outcome may have been very different. But the point you made is remarkably valid none the less.


8 posted on 08/12/2011 10:44:25 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: robertvance

I don’t know, I wasn’t here...oh wait...let me ask my uncle that was here...oh he is dead

Well...if I am not mistaken, the Japanese Aircraft Carriers were new technology and we didn’t have good Intel on where they were.

These aircraft carriers are old technology that you can smell 500 miles away..and pick them up live via satillite.

So it is a little hard to swallow.

Now, if they had a aircraft carrier that submerged that the Chinese were fielding. That would be a fair comparison....otherwise, nope .... invalid.


9 posted on 08/12/2011 10:46:13 PM PDT by dila813
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To: robertvance

“Didn’t we think the same thing about Japanese naval power prior to World War II?”

Nope. Japan had already demonstrated their naval power long before WWII. If I am not mistaken, the Emperial Japanese Navy had existed since the 1600’s. They were an established naval power in the East and even defeated the Russian Navy in 1904 or 1905.


71 posted on 08/13/2011 12:38:06 AM PDT by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: robertvance

No


79 posted on 08/13/2011 4:24:21 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: robertvance

Two questions, if anyone knows the answer:

How much does one of the new PRC aircraft carriers cost to build?

And how many more will we be FUNDING each month, with our massive trade deficit?

I’m guessing offhand they’re less expensive than ours. Already our trade deficit would literally pay for FOUR NEW CHINESE CARRIERS EVERY MONTH.

That would be at the cost of our versions.

Wake up people.


165 posted on 08/13/2011 8:16:43 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: robertvance

not as much as you probably think. the big intellifence mistake with pearl harbor was makinhg decisions based on intentions not capability. we successfully attacked pearl harbor by carriers twice so we knew it could be done but we thought the japanese would confine their targets to the phillipines. of course there are other gactors such as shallow water (ignoring lessons from taranto), lack of extended air recon due to lack of planes, pilots, and supplies. in reality given war plan orange, pearl harbor was probably the best thing to happen short of no war at all


167 posted on 08/13/2011 8:59:16 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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