Posted on 08/13/2011 5:09:24 AM PDT by marktwain
Me too. But they pick their victims. It is usually a self hating White Liberal or at places frequented by those under the influence of the self hating White Liberals, to wit: do not believe in defending themselves, strict gun laws, ect.
I’ve been following these “flash mob” stories for awhile, and certainly it does pay to be armed.
However, what happens when you go up against a “flash mob”, let’s say, composed of 100 or so individuals, all of whom are armed as equally as you?
All it’s going to take is one of the “flash mobbers” to get shot, and they’ll arm up as well. I’m surprised they haven’t already, to be honest.
It’s easy to say fire off a shot and they’ll run.....but what if they don’t? They may not be the shots in the world, but all it takes is one bullet from a lucky shot, and down you go.
I’m NOT saying you shouldn’t defend yourself in a life-threatening situation; of course you should. I’m asking a hypothetical question. What happens when the “flash mobs” are as equally well-armed and carrying as law-abiding citizens?
Your observation that the flash mobs have not "armed up" is cogent and instructive. There are several reasons for this. Most of the people in the flash mobs are legally disbared from possesing firearms. If they possess them illegally, they cost resources to obtain. One of the prime motivators of flash mobs is the near certainty of immunity from prosecution. If there are 30 young black people involved in an attack, it is fairly easy for anyone of them to claim that they were not involved, so it is a good defense in court, and it is hard for police to catch these people in the act, which tends to occur quickly.
If they start carrying weapons illegally, they give up much of their advantages. They are subject to prosecution before, during, and after the attack. If they are chased by police, they have to figure a way to get rid of the weapon before they get caught. They don't want to use a holster because it is harder to get rid of. If they figured they were going to get into a gun fight, it is more likely they would be deterred from the attack rather than carry a weapon to it.
In short, I think it unlikely that the flash mob phenomena will start "arming up". If they do, the populace will "arm up" all the faster. While a CCW holder may go down in such a situation, he/she is likely to take more than one flash mob types with them. Statistically, the flash mobs will be on the losing end of this sort of attrition.
This is why civilization works. The majority of citizens know that life is more comfortable and safer under the rule of law. They vastly outnumber the outlaws, who are attrited out of existance by the majority, which uses the mechanism of the government to its advantage.
The places that you have serious problems are where the government has protected the outlaws, or has become outlaw itself. In most of the U.S., we are not at that point.
The thing is, after a few flash mobbers are killed, flash mobs wil stop happening. Ao they arm themselves? So what?
They are in it for fun, for excitement, for profit, for revenge. They’re NOT in it to die. So if the likelihood of that occuring show up, they will try something else.
The point is, you have the right and the duty to defend yhourseld
I’m starting to see a market for rapid area-effect pepper gas grenades. . . . Toss into mob, stand back. . .
And the barbecue is incredible. I say that as an Alabama man
For those of you unfortunate enought to still live in one of our “People’s Republics” and not in a Free State ..a spray of oven cleaner to the eyes will work just fine on the offenders!!!!!
For those of you unfortunate enought to still live in one of our “People’s Republics” and not in a Free State ..a spray of oven cleaner to the eyes will work just fine on the offenders!!!!!
A retractable baton to the knee will also work and help ensure the young rioter will be unable to run in the streets for a while.
Excellent and illuminating response. Thank you.
The only places I can see this being a truly serious problem is in locales where CCW is essentially forbidden, either prima facie or through official intransigence. I think of LA, Chicago, NYC, places like that.
And, I’m hoping that these little events of do-it-yourself wealth redistribution don’t spread over to Germany. My neighborhood of Berlin is pretty heavy with Turks, Kurds, and Arabs; most of them are small-business owners (tons of little mom-and-pop shops here), and if their counterparts in London during the recent riots are any indication of the future, I don’t think they’ll be taking any guff from amateur looters.
There are several ways that you can train yourself to use a firearm under pressure.
1. Hunt. Hunting teaches you to use a firearm under pressure. It does not have to be dangerous game. You will be dealing in a life and death situation (normally not yours, but that of your prey), in which you have to act quickly and decisively. Jim Cirillo, the legendary New York officer who was involved in numerous gunfights as part of the New York City Stakeout Squad, said that being a hunter of big game was something he would look for in officers to recruit for such duty.
2. Play the "What if" game. Think about how you might react under various circumstances, how you would use cover, how you would retreat, what the legal requirements are for the justified use of deadly force. If you have thought about it, in a variety of circumstances, it is likely that you will be able to fit one of those to your circumstance if it occurs to you. Reading about what others have done, and how they handled it, with a critical eye as to what you might have done differently, is a good way to start putting your mind into the proper framework.
3. Train from different positions and target presentations. I and my brother used to set up "ravine runs", hidden targets along a trail that we had to react to quickly and effectively. Train on multiple targets at close range. Train on moving targets: a simple clothesline system with silhouette target mounted on it, and a cord to pull from behind the shooter is inexpensive and effective.
4. Engage in competition. Unless you have property available to you, you may have difficulty performing #3. Various clubs that are involved in "combat" style competition allow people to pool resources to get the type of practice recommended in #3. Competition of any kind is effective in teaching you how to shoot under pressure. Even National Match bulls-eye competition is effective for this purpose.
GET A GUN
Know the law in your particular state. If your state has a "Stand your Ground" law then you are in a better position if you need to use deadly force.
Note the phrase "NEED to use deadly force". In most jurisdictions, you may use deadly force to protect yourself from death or serious bodily injury, and against rape.
Somebody spitting in your face does not merit shooting them in any jurisdiction. Somebody grabbing your camera and running off with it does not merit shooting them in most jurisdictions. Somebody coming at you with a knife or other deadly weapon, with evident intent to stab you, DOES justify shooting them in most jurisdictions. A large mob, even unarmed, can stomp you to death very easily, and may justify deadly force, especially when there are already other victims on the ground to provide an indication that you are justified to feel that you are in deadly danger.
Bottom line: when the fertilizer looks like it's starting to hit the fan, exit the area. Keep in mind that in big cities, the jury pool will contain a high percentage of people who look like the guy you just shot. Do what you need to do to protect your family and yourself.
Lastly, DO NOT make statements to police other than "I was in fear for my life. I wish to have my attorney present before saying anything further."
“my theory is this...if someone gets right in my face (by that I mean physical contact)....I have the right to punch said face...
...if someone gets violent with me....it is my civic duty to return it 10 fold....”
That’s fine for you (perhaps), but how does that help your wife, daughter, girlfriend or Grandmother if they are at the local Mall and a mob of 200 vicious reprobates suddenly forms and starts beating on everyone they can find?
And the BIG day for these flash mobs is Sept 27th - where they plan on descending upon DC and other big cities.
Whitey is the target - "whitey" should start planning for a trip outta town by the 26th. This is going to get very bad before it gets better.
These people have been primed for this. And come election - IF O'bumbles hasn't used these as his excuse to declare Martial Law and close down the election - (Part of the whole plan from the get go?) there will be rampant intimidation at voting places, thanks to Holder's refusal to prosecute 'his people' = aka the Black Panthers.
Batten down the hatches. It's going to be a rough ride.
The Left came up with the “flash mob” game so they could direct violence in a new kind of “get the rich” riot strategy rather than the old fashioned kind - burn down black neighborhoods riot.
The Left always orchestrates race riots when they have power and their power is threatened. When America elected a Black Marxist as president, class jealously, race riots and violent attacks on whites was guarenteed.
The strategy we see the leaders behind the riots in London are planning that for us. It won’t go as smoothely here.
A large percentage of flash mob members are either juveniles or have felony records, or both. This disqualifies them from CCW eligibility. A felon in possession of a gun is an automatic trip back to prison. This is why they like flash mobs -- they have overwhelming force, but no weapons that can land them in prison.
They also enjoy mobbing, but have no interest in getting killed for entertainment. If a bunch get killed, they're more likely to lose interest in the activity.
A can of wasp spray - that can straight shoot 20' - works even better.
Bttt
call the Judge
If you start shooting, then they’ll start shooting. Then you’ll have a street war. After awhile, everybody will forget who started it, and the lefties will say “it’s nobody’s fault, but we have to disarm america right now, now, now!” I don’t think any of these mob actions are spontaneous,they’re coordinated.
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