Posted on 08/13/2011 4:03:48 PM PDT by DRey
Here's something I read once but can't remember where: The republic can survive a barack obama, but what's a whole lot less likely is that the republic can survive the collective stupidity that put this post turtle up there to begin with.
oh, please. red herring argument. negativity throughout your answer. I am not buying, nice try though.
Good point. I suppose you are right and that’s why I say I will vote for Obama if Bachmann becomes the nom but I am not so sure. I just think though we ultimately need someone- who, again I have no idea- who has more experience to run for GOP nominee.
Holy mackerel!
A real, live masochist ratchere on Free Republic!
So a recap:
Me: factual statement 1, factual statement 2, factual statement 3, factual statement 4, factual statement 5, application and conclusion. Each of the 5 can be further supported through history if necessary.
You: I don’t like your argument because it is “negative” even though I can’t actually point to anything specifically wrong in what you said so I will just say I’m not buying it.
Thanks for the great counter-argument.
FACTS? LMAO
Still more support for each of my five statements than “too negative.... i’m not bothering” and “Facts? LMAO.” If you are going to attack my conclusion as you have been, show me WHERE I have a gap in logic, not just your hopeful thinking and empty statements.
You are suggesting that we should give up on our principals and beliefs to support someone with executive experience. Why, if that person does not have a platform I care about? I should compromise because you THINK that she can’t lead? She has lead the TEA Party pretty effectively. This is exactly what is wrong with that kind of thinking, we will get another loser pubbie like a McCain or Dole with that kind of thinking. Pawlenty had executive experience and ran a campaign that lost momentum and he bowed out already. McCain wrote lots of legislation...most of which I hated. So what that either one of them has what you are looking for. I am NOT giving up on my ideal for your loser thought processes. I am sick of losing and compromising.
“You are suggesting that we should give up on our principals and beliefs to support someone with executive experience.”
Please tell me WHERE I said any of the such. I think we should have someone with our principles but first and foremost we should be considered with how they will govern. If this means candidate x has much more experience than Bachmann and agrees with the conservative position 90% of the time while Bachmann has 95% then go with x (and I have no idea right now who x is). I’m not saying we push someone awful like McCain. I’m saying we push someone with actual experience.
“I should compromise because you THINK that she can’t lead?”
When did I ever say YOU have to do anything? All I said is that electing Bachmann will do more destruction to conservatism than a vote for Obama and both will destroy the country further. I never said you have to do anything. And it’s not THINK. Think means there is no support for it, it is just baseless opinion. My view is based on the fact she has NEVER held any executive positions or hell even had any of her bills become law.
“She has lead the TEA Party pretty effectively.”-— Not really. Most of the tea party success comes less from central organization in the caucus and more from proper vetting and rising of good candidates in 2010 along with strong constituency push for the congressperson’s upholding to tea party ideals when issues arise. The selection of candidates came more from Palin than Bachmann.
This is exactly what is wrong with that kind of thinking, we will get another loser pubbie like a McCain or Dole with that kind of thinking. Pawlenty had executive experience and ran a campaign that lost momentum and he bowed out already. McCain wrote lots of legislation...most of which I hated. So what that either one of them has what you are looking for. I am NOT giving up on my ideal for your loser thought processes. I am sick of losing and compromising.”-— Again, saying Bachmann isnt sufficiently experienced does not say we have to go with a liberal like McCain. It just means we should find a conservative with actual experience. Stop putting words in my mouth.
“You are suggesting that we should give up on our principals and beliefs to support someone with executive experience.”
Please tell me WHERE I said any of the such. I think we should have someone with our principles but first and foremost we should be considered with how they will govern. If this means candidate x has much more experience than Bachmann and agrees with the conservative position 90% of the time while Bachmann has 95% then go with x (and I have no idea right now who x is). I’m not saying we push someone awful like McCain. I’m saying we push someone with actual experience.
“I should compromise because you THINK that she can’t lead?”
When did I ever say YOU have to do anything? All I said is that electing Bachmann will do more destruction to conservatism than a vote for Obama and both will destroy the country further. I never said you have to do anything. And it’s not THINK. Think means there is no support for it, it is just baseless opinion. My view is based on the fact she has NEVER held any executive positions or hell even had any of her bills become law.
“She has lead the TEA Party pretty effectively.”-— Not really. Most of the tea party success comes less from central organization in the caucus and more from proper vetting and rising of good candidates in 2010 along with strong constituency push for the congressperson’s upholding to tea party ideals when issues arise. The selection of candidates came more from Palin than Bachmann.
“This is exactly what is wrong with that kind of thinking, we will get another loser pubbie like a McCain or Dole with that kind of thinking. Pawlenty had executive experience and ran a campaign that lost momentum and he bowed out already. McCain wrote lots of legislation...most of which I hated. So what that either one of them has what you are looking for. I am NOT giving up on my ideal for your loser thought processes. I am sick of losing and compromising.”-— Again, saying Bachmann isnt sufficiently experienced does not say we have to go with a liberal like McCain. It just means we should find a conservative with actual experience. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Looking at the present field.........No to Perry...his history w/algore is frightening. Newt sat on the couch w/nancy pelosi and sold us out. Herman Cain is awesome, lots of executive experience in the biz world, but has held zero elective office. Pawlenty took himself out already. Trump...LOL. Sarah has executive experience, but isn’t running. Romney...RomneyCare says it all. For a woman to be at the head of the pack at this date shows some executive experience to me. She has the TEA Party behind her.
The perfect candidate for me, has not come forward. At this point Michelle has my support. No one else has emerged to intrigue me at all. And the last election cycle was even MORE dismal. I am excited to see Michelle has hit on all my key platform positions. Sarah would be even a better match.
Me too, he is both funny and sensible. He's occasionally a guest on Red Eye...a master of the dead pan
That's easy. You say don't know when you signed up for FR. You *think* it was 2005. Your sign up date was March 9, 2007. Barack Hussein Obama announced he was a candidate for POTUS February 10, 2007. The timing is exquisite. A remarkable coincidence or something...
Stating in duplicate comment posts 403 and 404 that you will vote for Obama is completely illogical unless you are his lackey. You proffer Obama as the only voting option on the ballot should a member of the House of Representatives become the GOP nominee.
Who do you think you are fooling?
I am in favor of the legalization of drugs myself and I am not a kook. Not that I wish to use drugs or think anyone else should. I am just convinced that prohibition does not work and causes more harm than good. In my 50 years on earth I have NEVER met anyone who wanted to use drugs that could not obtain them and I’ve never heard of a liquor store owner doing a drive by to eleminate the competition.
Of course I wouldn’t favor completely unregulated drug sales either. There would be severe penalties for selling to minors and driving under the influence. Presently it is safest for drug dealers to sell to minors because they are least likely to be the police. Advertising and promotion of drug use would not be permitted. With each sale the clerk would be required to say “Don’t use this, it will kill your dumb ass”.
A tax could also be put on the sale of drugs which could be used to fund drug rehabilitation and prevention.
I’m sorry, I misremembered the date. Unlike you- does that make you an Obama worshipper?- I didn’t know when he announced he was running. As I said before, read some of my other posts over the past few years. I am far from receptive to the O. This is what really bothers me about some people here. Just because I think Bachmann a. has no chance of winning and b. even if she did win she’d ruin both America and the conservative movement because of her absolute lack of any meaningful experience somehow makes me an Obama insider (or whatever you are insinuating). You are insane. Just because I disagree with you and truly think Bachmann is NOT the answer doesn’t mean I am some leftist Obama supporter. Open up your closed mind and actually educate yourself and recognize people can agree with the same goals (limited government, less taxes, economic prosperity and freedom, strict constitutional interpretation) and very strongly disagree on how to reach those goals. You seem to think it lies in putting up for president an unelectable politician with ZERO relevant experience. I think that’s not the approach and instead want to find someone with actual experience and actual electability who is also a conservative.
Oh and also, take a class on logic. Blind character attacks such as the one you made aren’t a gap in logical reasoning.
Like I said, I don’t know right now WHO the answer is. Jindal would probably be the best bet but he’s not running. It’s also too early to say for sure with 100% certainty who is or is not running- up until the last few weeks it wasn’t clear whether Perry was running and it’s likely someone else (perhaps a few different people) will enter the race at some point. But just finding faults in the present field doesn’t mean the answer is an inexperienced congressperson who will likely both further destroy our country and the conservative movement.
“Herman Cain is awesome, lots of executive experience in the biz world, but has held zero elective office.”-— Like I said, I haven’t decided to back anyone yet but he has much more experience than Bachmann does. At least he knows how to run something. All she knows how to do is vote in a legislative capacity.
“For a woman to be at the head of the pack at this date shows some executive experience to me. She has the TEA Party behind her.” So you really want to use the argument Obama did in 2008? That the fact he’s running a powerful campaign itself gives him sufficient executive experience? I’m sorry but I didn’t buy it then and I’m not buying it now just because the person changed from Obama to Bachmann. Obama had zero experience (he still doesnt seem to have much as he is constantly vacationing and campaigning) and yet it was roughly comparable to the same amount Bachmann has. Both are bad for our country and the leadership of a campaign argument isn’t that impressive to me (if you really want I can further disclose why it’s a losing argument). My understanding, at least the tea party that emails me from time to time, is that it is an independent group of concerned citizens not a massive organized group. Yes there is the tea party caucus but can you honestly say- with proof- that ALL tea partiers are behind Bachmann? Because I know that to be inaccurate.
“And the last election cycle was even MORE dismal.”-— couldn’t agree more.
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