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Labor Fight Goes Postal as Unions Rip USPS Cost-Cutting Plan to Slash Jobs, Revamp Benefits
www.foxnews.com ^ | August 12, 2011 | Staff @ FoxNews

Posted on 08/13/2011 9:37:07 PM PDT by Reagan is King

After skirmishes in Wisconsin, Ohio and Indiana, the next big union battle is brewing at your local post office.

The U.S. Postal Service’s two largest unions blasted the financially strapped agency’s proposal to cut as many as 120,000 jobs and pull its workers out of the retirement and health benefits plans covering federal workers for a new benefit systems.

The Postal Service, which is facing a second year of losses totaling $8 billion or more, would need congressional approval for its plan and cooperation from the postal unions, which have contracts that ban layoffs unless Congress intervenes.

But the American Postal Workers Union, APWU, and the National Association of Letter Carriers, NALC, made their opposition clear.

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More unions getting their gravy train disrupted. Where will Democrat pols get their campaign funds if this continues? /s
1 posted on 08/13/2011 9:37:13 PM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: Reagan is King

I don’t have a dog in this fight.


2 posted on 08/13/2011 9:40:45 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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To: Reagan is King

I need five minutes to prepare a bowl of nice, fluffy popcorn. Num.


3 posted on 08/13/2011 9:42:06 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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To: Reagan is King

The USPS is planning on closing several post offices locally. It makes sense except it will create a shortage of post office boxes unless more are added to the post offices that remain.


4 posted on 08/13/2011 9:43:23 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Reagan is King

8 billion in losses? WTH? Fed-ex or UPS would close down if they had one year of a billion in loss.

What is going on in the post offices?


5 posted on 08/13/2011 9:45:32 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: Reagan is King
If you thought Wisconsin was bad, just wait until the whole thing goes Postal...
6 posted on 08/13/2011 9:46:42 PM PDT by FredZarguna (... And your little dog, too.)
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To: Reagan is King
If you thought Wisconsin was bad, just wait until the whole thing goes Postal...
7 posted on 08/13/2011 9:46:53 PM PDT by FredZarguna (... And your little dog, too.)
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To: yup2394871293

@Yup....So you don’t have a job and pay taxes? And if you do, I hope you are making $22 an hour like that guy you see at the post office sweeping the floor and emptying the trash.


8 posted on 08/13/2011 9:47:09 PM PDT by ImNotLying
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To: Reagan is King; yup2394871293

I deliver for you.

9 posted on 08/13/2011 9:48:35 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Reagan is King

Maybe the USPS, their rent seeking union friends, and congress could make a deal with the UPS or Fedex. No? In that case, I guess they’re screwed. Or taxpayers will get screwed by the USPS and the unions.


10 posted on 08/13/2011 9:48:39 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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To: ImNotLying

I wouldn’t be paying taxes if I didn’t have a job. You sound bitter about something or other.


11 posted on 08/13/2011 9:50:54 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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To: ImNotLying

Don’t know about you, but getting $22/hour for simple janitorial duties sounds like a pretty damn good deal, benefits or no benefits.


12 posted on 08/13/2011 9:57:56 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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To: Reagan is King
Using the democrat's logic, they should raise the revenues by increasing the price of stamps and everything should be balanced, right?

Or they could farm out the mail to UPS or FedEx and have it done efficiently by the private sector.

But most likely they will opt to continue on with the money pit USPS and just add it onto the taxpayers back.

13 posted on 08/13/2011 10:02:32 PM PDT by oldbrowser (They're socialists don't call them liberals)
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To: FreeAtlanta
"cooperation from the postal unions, which have contracts that ban layoffs"

The above may have something to do with the loss.

14 posted on 08/13/2011 10:05:45 PM PDT by anoldafvet (17 months until we're rid of "The Boy Blunder".)
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To: Reagan is King
I dated someone who worked for the post office. The stories he used to tell me were mind boggling. The abuse and the stuff the union members were allowed to get away with, because of the union contract, it was absolutely stunning. These people will never make it working in the private market.
15 posted on 08/13/2011 10:06:40 PM PDT by AnyStreetFL (www.AnyStreet.org - Conservative Community Organizing, ACORN without the evil)
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To: Reagan is King

Wow, This seems like a much bigger (although mostly ignored)story than the fight in wisconsin. This affects Democratic Party power in every state not just one. Hopefully the intransigent union can be defanged without causing even more unemployment in the US


16 posted on 08/13/2011 10:08:11 PM PDT by MillardFillmore
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To: FredZarguna

Delicious irony this. Obie can’t be pleased to shine light on a govt enterprise is bankrupt, dumping their union, and bumping up unemployment numbers


17 posted on 08/13/2011 10:09:10 PM PDT by chiller ( EVERY Democrat on EVERY level must go)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Not that it covers all their annual debt, but the USPS has been getting screwed by the federal retirement system, which has been over billing USPS for the last decade.
18 posted on 08/13/2011 10:09:25 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: yup2394871293
I don’t have a dog in this fight.

You've never mailed a letter or a package through USPS? They, meaning the legislature, should just scrap the postal Unions altogether. Union members never learn, no matter what Union it is. If you keep forcing companies, either public or private, to pay more and more for wages, pensions, vacations and sick pay every time a new contract comes open, sooner or later, you will have fewer and fewer Union members as the companies figure out how to cut their work forces and get around the Unions. Public Unions have cost the tax payers of this country millions upon millions of dollars for bloated pension schemes, gold plated medical and virtual immunity from a job, no matter how badly the job is done.

19 posted on 08/13/2011 10:10:39 PM PDT by calex59
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To: yup2394871293
I don’t have a dog in this fight.

I do.
I'm a taxpayer.

FDR knew that instinctively. History has proven him right beyond any doubt to reasonable people.

Unions and government "employess" are mutually and permanently incompatible.

20 posted on 08/13/2011 10:11:19 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

“What is going on in the post offices?”

“Look for the union label”


21 posted on 08/13/2011 10:11:59 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: anoldafvet

It sounds like the slogans the guys at Eastern Airlines had. “Full pay to the last day!”


22 posted on 08/13/2011 10:12:40 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: FreeAtlanta
What is going on in the post offices?

Unions.

As with all unions, the inept, the lazy the incompetents can't be fired.

23 posted on 08/13/2011 10:13:20 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: oldbrowser
Or they could farm out the mail to UPS or FedEx and have it done efficiently by the private sector.

If they let Walmart deliver the mail they would turn an $8 billion profit. I bet the unions and the libs would just love that.

24 posted on 08/13/2011 10:18:27 PM PDT by immadashell
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To: calex59

The USPS is so convenient and inexpensive that I’ve switched almost entirely to email, online billing, and the occasional fax.


25 posted on 08/13/2011 10:21:45 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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To: MillardFillmore
Hopefully the intransigent union can be defanged without causing even more unemployment in the US

Reagan had the solution, fire them all and hire replacements(no impact on unemployment). It would be a lot safer than firing air traffic controllers. How many planes crashed because of that?

26 posted on 08/13/2011 10:25:00 PM PDT by immadashell
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To: yup2394871293

So have I, but there are still the occasional things I have to mail by the USPS. As for expensive, mailing a package is often cheaper with USPS than it is with UPS or FEDEX. There is no reason the USPS has to be so inefficient, Unions are the problem, or at least a large part of the problem.


27 posted on 08/13/2011 10:25:40 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Reagan is King

When clerks are getting 90-100K to sell stamps you know something is wrong. Shut it down.

Pray for America


28 posted on 08/13/2011 10:25:46 PM PDT by bray (Hey Country Club, your turn to hold your nose!)
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To: immadashell
My take on this is that the Administration has no problem moving us up the technology adoption curve in terms of energy technologies (incandescent lights for example) to accomplish "green" goals. Well, clearly the USPS is a dinosaur - we all know where it is headed, the only thing in dispute is precisely how fast? Why not accelerate the move away from paper communications by subsidizing electronic communications and accelerating the disappearance of the USPS? If it had energy and environmental benefits (and it would almost have to ) why not?

Just the entertainment value in watching the Democrats and the postal unions eviscerate each other would be worth it.

29 posted on 08/13/2011 10:27:13 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: yup2394871293

@Yup....You said you didn’t have a dog in this fight...if you are paying taxes then you are paying the salary of this janitor making 22 bucks an hour....I’d say you have a big dog in this fight.


30 posted on 08/13/2011 10:27:16 PM PDT by ImNotLying
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To: Reagan is King

Ok here is how we solve this problem. We mandate that everybody buy stamps. If they don’t buy stamps we will get the IRS to take it out of their payroll taxes up to $700.00 dollars. We will exempt union members from having to buy the stamps. Hold on here. We could close down the post office, and mandate that everybody buy stamps from private companies like Fed Ex., and UPS. Yes it’s sarcasm.


31 posted on 08/13/2011 10:31:38 PM PDT by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: Reagan is King

Have you ever heard about people who sit in their cars in the garage and put a hose from their tailpipe into the car to suck up the carbon monixide to commit suicide?

This is what public unions and Democratic politicians do, when it all comes down.

The problem is that the public sector relies on the private sector to feed it; the private sector is not doing well now, and the Government officials, unions and politicians who gamble with the house’s money (taxpayers) and promised THEMSELVES BIG FAT SALARIES, BENNIES and PENSIONS W/BENNIES now cannot pay for them by stealing from the private sector.

F the USPS, let the AA hires and 400 pounders go mow lawns or try “Income at Home.”

I pay my bills online and have a corporate FedEx account for large parcels for my company’s business. My wife uses USPS for her EBay business, but hey, we charge more for shipping, then.

I am so sick and tired of Government, at every turn, some asshat Gub’mint worker needs MORE. These people do not face the reality of a person in business; their jobs are secure, over-market and promotion or advancement is a function of years “served” not who is best qualified or brightest.

It’s the long slog for the fattie pension, of which you would need $1MM saved to get the average one in CA at a 5% return.


32 posted on 08/13/2011 10:50:06 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: martin_fierro

Lib with a nice rack, I will say...but Sean Penn dumped her and I saw she’s gained “a few” in recent tabloid shots.

ObamaBot incarnate, but decent actress.


33 posted on 08/13/2011 10:51:15 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Reagan is King

Let the union win. It will take the USPS down and all its emplyees even faster. Numbskulls.


34 posted on 08/13/2011 10:54:31 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Reagan is King

Well, maybe the unions have a point. If the usps would just keep them emmployed and send them a check every month but just lose all that nonsense about driving around and delivering letters, they could save tons on gasoline costs. Shutting down the post office buildings and selling them would save big bucks too. Then they would have enough to maintain the payroll.


35 posted on 08/13/2011 11:02:00 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ImNotLying

Possibly, if we’re already bailing out the supposedly self-sufficient USPS.


36 posted on 08/13/2011 11:07:58 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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To: Publius6961

FDR gave us the Wagner act, the cretin.


37 posted on 08/13/2011 11:10:04 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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To: Publius6961

True, but of his strong leadership in WWII and this statement, every other Progressive idea was an abject failure.

Kind of like Bush I and II, who I detested on some things and liked on others....

Obama and Carter, they were 100% wrong in EVERY decision.

Clinton had Gingrich to balance his NWO/Lefty ways out.


38 posted on 08/13/2011 11:10:22 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: martin_fierro
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39 posted on 08/14/2011 1:43:14 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: wac3rd

I pay my bills online...
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Been doing this for over 10 years and can’t understand why everyone isn’t doing the same. In all that time I have never had a bill go astray or unpaid. It’s worth it just for the fact I don’t have to address envelopes not to mention not pay postage.


40 posted on 08/14/2011 1:51:01 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: Reagan is King
The Postal Service, which is facing a second year of losses totaling $8 billion or more, ...

They already lost $3 billion in the last quarter. They'll lose more than $8 billion this year.

41 posted on 08/14/2011 1:55:41 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: yup2394871293

Me either, especially after (trying to) deal with the Italian Post Office!


42 posted on 08/14/2011 2:27:36 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: bray

“When clerks are getting 90-100K to sell stamps you know something is wrong. Shut it down.”

It’s not just “clerks”, our USPS has the most ignorant people working there. They make our DMV look efficient.

You couldn’t go down to the rail-yards and pick out a group of more sloven, lazy, ignorant people if you tried, and to top it off, they are the most arrogant group of people I have had to deal with.

I regularly have to send stuff by military mail, and I am regularly treated like scum. This, after standing in line for 30 minutes, because they have 5 windows, and 2 tellers who want to chit chat with folks they know, and who move slower than molasses on an Alaskan morning. Dare you ask any question, you will be given a look like you just ruined their damned day, and then another sloven supervisor, usually more retarded than the person at the teller will attempt to help you, usually by telling you to go online, and read this or that.

Now, my carrier is great. She works hard, is courteous, friendly, and a nice person. She gets a Christmas gift every year from us, but man, our office is chock full of the lowest of the low. How they got jobs there, I have no idea. How they retain their jobs there, I have no idea. But I swear, they wouldn’t be able to dump water out of a boot without instructions on the heel.

No offense to any USPS employees, I’m sure there are some, like my carrier who do a good job, but here where I am at, they are the exception, by far, not the rule.


43 posted on 08/14/2011 2:48:57 AM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: Reagan is King

Every delivery day, the local mailman here stops his mail van at exactly the same time opens the rear door and sits in the back of the van reading a book. He is on his break and he NEVER fails to take it. This symbolizes to me, in a nutshell, why the American Labor movement is dying. I don’t give a damn if the mailman has a break built into his contract. I am paying his salary and, as far as I am concerned, he is lazy.


44 posted on 08/14/2011 3:40:56 AM PDT by AdaGray
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To: Paleo Conservative

How about ya go to a PRIVATE postal place for a box?
Hell with the post office and their UNION.
Besides if U go to a private place that is owned by a small business owner they will treat ya better than some overpaid postal clown who looks at you with contempt.


45 posted on 08/14/2011 3:51:47 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Don't trust the F.B.I. the C.I.A. and specially the B.A.T.F.)
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To: yup2394871293
I've a good idea.....let's retro-fit all US post offices with banks of COMPUTER TERMINALS....(Refurbished ones, to) you just send your letters EMAIL...if your sendee has no computer he can just send and pick up his 'mail' at the local library, senior citizen center, or other currenly useless gumment ofc..or the gummint can install some type of cheap 'reciever/sender machine' in the computer-less homes that are too far from a libray'. All other mail can be handled by the efficient UPS...FEDEX...and other efficient free marketeers...i think it might save a bundle of taxpayer money ... i say this....because computer terminals wont get salaries, pensions, work comp or unemployment benefits...the taxpayers will get benefits though...SAVINGS benefits. I feel benefitted already....just thinkin' aboudit
46 posted on 08/14/2011 4:00:25 AM PDT by flat
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To: flat

Brought to us by the same people that want to run our health care system.

Nice.


47 posted on 08/14/2011 4:10:31 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarah Palin 2012 - Nothing but Net)
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To: Reagan is King
Please don't go on strike, Mr. Postman. I won't get any bills mailed to me!

I'll miss the junk mail addressed to "resident" that makes me feel like someone special.

What will I do right before elections are held?

How will I be able to stay on top of the mudslinging without the wholesale libel and litany of lies and false promises filling my mailbox?

I'll really miss all the thoughtful, personal, hand-written letters all my friends and relatives send me all the time. too.

48 posted on 08/14/2011 4:43:32 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority (Where is the middle ground on insolvency of the United States government?)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
When I go to my mail box each day, it normally contains several pieces of "spam" mail, and one or twice a month, some notice from a utility {pay my bills on-line and get the same notices via e-mail}.

My Golf Magazine, American Hunter and Rush Limbaugh Newsletter are three pieces of mail that I look forward to, but if the USPS stopped delivery, they would be sent using another service.

I can't remember the last time I received a hand written letter or even a personal typed one.

The USPS was a valuable service before the internet and e-communications, and there is still a place for delivery services, but the entire structure needs to be adapted to today's conditions.

We recently needed to ship something to Annapolis and it was Friday.

The overnight {weekend} rate via Fed-Ex was $ 65 while the Monday rate was $16, we decided that they could wait until Monday. Strictly a business decision. If they had to have it on Saturday, I'd have paid the extra dollars.

49 posted on 08/14/2011 5:58:08 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: political1

Why buy and sell stamps in the first place? Why not just meter the mail? The actual metering could be done by a debit card transaction, or even a vending machine, and the printing could be done by a standard computer printer


50 posted on 08/14/2011 6:04:16 AM PDT by jmcenanly ( "We pay a person the compliment of acknowledging his superiority whenever we lie to him." -Samuel)
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