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Pakistan let China see "stealth" chopper from bin Laden raid
Reuters ^ | Aug 14, 2011 | Chris Allbritton

Posted on 08/14/2011 12:23:03 PM PDT by george76

Pakistan gave China access to the previously unknown "stealth" helicopter that crashed during the commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May despite explicit requests from the CIA not to...

The revelation, if confirmed, is likely to further shake the U.S.-Pakistan relationship, which has been improving slightly after hitting its lowest point in decades following the May 2 bin Laden raid.

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"The US now has information that Pakistan, particularly the ISI, gave access to the Chinese military to the downed helicopter in Abbottabad," ...

Pakistan, which enjoys a close relationship with China, allowed Chinese intelligence officials to take pictures of the crashed chopper as well as take samples of its special "skin" that allowed the American raid to evade Pakistani radar,

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: binladen; blackhawk; china; osama; pakistan; pakistantraitors; secrets; stealth

1 posted on 08/14/2011 12:23:05 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Was there ever a doubt ?


2 posted on 08/14/2011 12:24:15 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: george76

“Pockeystawn” is NOT our friend.


3 posted on 08/14/2011 12:25:03 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Americans need to wean their government off of its dependence on foreign money.)
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To: Java4Jay

Take out their nukes now before it will mean a war with China.


4 posted on 08/14/2011 12:26:01 PM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: george76

We shoulda blowed it up more as we left?

Or maybe we shoulda blowed up Binnie and took the copter to dump in the ocean...


5 posted on 08/14/2011 12:26:26 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: george76

Not to worry, our Pocky “allies” only showed the parts that were stamped “Made in China”.


6 posted on 08/14/2011 12:27:05 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: george76

Time to befriend India now that the USSR no longer exists.


7 posted on 08/14/2011 12:27:32 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. Alea iacta est!)
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To: george76

bump.


8 posted on 08/14/2011 12:29:40 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: george76

Is this actually news or a long known given? Must be a slow news day...... =.=


9 posted on 08/14/2011 12:30:01 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Java4Jay

Nope. Pak-town is like insane hot girlfriends...they cheat on you when they have the chance but you keep them because they’re great in the sack and they have hotter girlfriends so you tolerate them.


10 posted on 08/14/2011 12:31:31 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: george76

The helicopter was in Pakistan, uninvited.


11 posted on 08/14/2011 12:31:39 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Williams
Take out their nukes now before it will mean a war with China.

Wouldn't it make more sense to stop sending our national wealth to China in the first place - it's the reason we face a future war with China. WE ARE PAYING FOR THE CHINESE MILITARY BUILDUP

12 posted on 08/14/2011 12:33:58 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Yes, that may be the case... they may have been
uninvited... and I might also point out that the
Twin Towers was uninvited also, Jerk.


13 posted on 08/14/2011 12:36:12 PM PDT by Razmataz
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

The helicopter was in Pakistan, uninvited.
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yes, and Pakistan was officially our ally,
and they lied about Obama living there.
...even Indian intelligence knew it 2 years ago.

Obama knew for months prior to the execution,
and turned down at least 2 previous plans.
but Pakistan never stepped up and delivered him.

so Pakistan has no right to complain,
and in fact should be grateful we didn’t do a lot more,
to the nation that was knowingly harboring bin Laden.

people were coming openly to visit bin Laden.
it is impossible that the ISI didn’t know.


14 posted on 08/14/2011 12:37:36 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: george76

Figures! What has this man ever done that’s not to our disadvantage. Geeezzzz

Some democrat asked me “is there ANYTHING Obama did that you agreed with?”

I remember there was one thing but I forgot what it was. I’m still thinking...

Ah, yes... extending the Bush cuts! (But in reality that was Bill Clinton’s idea. That was the day ObamAA+ had to leave for one of those vacations... this one was in Hawaii... and Bill Clinton took over for a while because Obama said “we were in good hands”

I wish I could remember that democrat so I could give them my answer.


15 posted on 08/14/2011 12:42:12 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: george76

Since China owns 40% of our debt, I’m sure they were simply checking out one of their investments. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!


16 posted on 08/14/2011 12:42:33 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: max americana

lol, that’s an “interesting” analogy since there is nothing desirable or pleasurable about being connected with Pakistan (or any of its “hot friends”) ha ha.... but I agree with the point that we put up with the bastards because we think the alternative of being without them is worse!


17 posted on 08/14/2011 12:42:50 PM PDT by Enchante (9 year cancer survivor this month - last surgery Aug. 2002)
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To: SERKIT

Good one.


18 posted on 08/14/2011 12:48:25 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Yeah,, uninvited because Osama was. And the invite was clearly implied by the Billions in aid we give them,,, troll.


19 posted on 08/14/2011 12:48:47 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Elendur
I agree with all your points. I just wanted to make one simple observation. Allies don't harbour your enemies — nor do allies send in war machines, uninvited.
20 posted on 08/14/2011 12:52:43 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Java4Jay

I know I’m shocked.


21 posted on 08/14/2011 12:53:05 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Enchante

You got it. Had a Dem, lib GF back in jr college who hated Bush, (a picture of how lovely conversations were back then) but she was friggin’ hot and “bed-great” (wink) but I used her to bang her other friends who were hotter than her. We have to keep our friends close and our “enemies” closer..


22 posted on 08/14/2011 12:56:08 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: DesertRhino

I’ve been a Freeper 3 years longer than you. My posting record speaks for itself.


23 posted on 08/14/2011 12:57:30 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
The premise to both your post and to the posts of some others flaming you is that Pakistan is actually a country in the sense that we understand it. It's not. Some people in Pakistan are our friends. Some people in Pakistan are our allies. The population at large, and significant parts of the government -- especially the Security apparatus -- are our mortal enemies. The trick is maneuvering around a civilian leadership that is feckless and terrified.
24 posted on 08/14/2011 1:03:45 PM PDT by FredZarguna (The 14th Amendment claim was never a serious argument, any more than the General Welfare Clause.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Victoria is a liberal hotbed, just saying.


25 posted on 08/14/2011 1:06:23 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: george76
China gave Pakistan nuclear weapons in order to check their enemy, India, just as they gave NoKorea this technology to check the US, Japan and South Korea in Asia.

That anyone would actually be surprised that the Chinese exact an enormous tribute from the Pakistanis in return is the real headline.

26 posted on 08/14/2011 1:07:01 PM PDT by FredZarguna (The 14th Amendment claim was never a serious argument, any more than the General Welfare Clause.)
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To: max americana

ok now I’m sure your life has been more exciting than mine, lol

I don’t have such a fascinating base of experience for comparison here.....


27 posted on 08/14/2011 1:08:42 PM PDT by Enchante (9 year cancer survivor this month - last surgery Aug. 2002)
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To: Bulwyf
Yeah, and I've taken a lot of abuse over the past decade, defending the U.S.A. in regards to the W.O.T., and its various theaters of operation.

Yes, Pakistan is an untrustworthy “ally”. Yes, Bin Laden needed to be taken down. No disputes there.

However, sovereignty still means something. If, lets say, a N. Korean rocket were to land on U.S. soil & fail to explode — would the U.S. feel compelled to simply return it to N. Korea? Or, at least, to just bury it, without letting anyone else look at it? Would you simply overlook the incident — ignoring the intrusion into your sovereign space?

28 posted on 08/14/2011 1:15:53 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

the ISI did? What a huge surprise. Thanks george76.


29 posted on 08/14/2011 1:19:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: george76

We need Pakistan and they know it. We have over 100,000 troops in neighboring Afghanistan and we can’t effectively supply them through any other route. They don’t need us. Sure, they like our money, but they don’t like us, don’t share our ideas and only helped us because they were fairly sure Bush would have carpet bombed them.

China, on the other hand, is on their border. And there are hints that China’s isolationist military policy might be evolving.

Winner: China.


30 posted on 08/14/2011 1:26:39 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Wouldn’t it make more sense to stop sending our national wealth to China in the first place - it’s the reason we face a future war with China. WE ARE PAYING FOR THE CHINESE MILITARY BUILDUP

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Exactly!


31 posted on 08/14/2011 1:42:57 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: Mikey_1962
Time to befriend India now that the USSR no longer exists.

Yep.

Our diplomats are hard at work on that right now...

US apologises for diplomat's 'dirty' Indians comment

32 posted on 08/14/2011 1:48:06 PM PDT by null and void (Day 934. The mob is decisive when the law is not.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

And on top of that we are sending aid to Pakistan that we borrowed from China. Is that not “F”ed up or not. And another point why send in super secret stealth choppers with chinooks. Totally defeats the plan which says the Paks knew about it and gave permission.


33 posted on 08/14/2011 2:02:16 PM PDT by mcshot (Hey we're turning upside down compliments of career politicians.)
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To: george76

When the Chicoms get their new aircraft carrier into service, there will be a showdown over Taiwan, and Obozo will blink.


34 posted on 08/14/2011 2:04:13 PM PDT by MistrX
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

“I’ve been a Freeper 3 years longer than you. My posting record speaks for itself.”

As was said in the American movie “Topgun”,, “Below the hard deck doesn’t count”. Foreign years only count for 25% of the time of a similar number of American years.
So you are the Noob,,,

And no,, it would be utterly different if someone foreign military machine came here without permission, that isn’t allowed. But we can still go there when we need. It’s like that,,,


35 posted on 08/14/2011 5:19:04 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

“But we can still go there when we need. It’s like that,,,”

True enough, that’s one of the perks of superpowerdom. Just don’t be surprised when the people, at some of these places, see things differently than you do.

Some of the other posters on this thread compared Pakistan to a crazy girlfriend. Close — but, crazed sugar baby would be closer to the truth. Money doesn’t buy much fidelity. Pakistan was upset by the raid (whether or not they were complicit in hiding OBL). Showing the helicopter to the Chinese seems like a bit of passive-aggressive revenge.


36 posted on 08/14/2011 5:34:37 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Sovereignty only applies to the Pakis when they want it to.

When Taliban and Al Quaeda are harbored in their hinterlands they disclaim sovereignty and take no responsibility.

When Bin Laden is under their noses, they disclaim sovereignty and take no responsibility.

Can’t have it both ways. Either we hold them responsible for harboring terrorists, or we clean up their mess.


37 posted on 08/15/2011 6:51:30 AM PDT by dervish (out of Afghanistan NOW)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

The helicopter wasnt invited and OBL was?


38 posted on 08/15/2011 7:44:23 AM PDT by ravager
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To: george76

Money talks, no body walks. They grab our pieces we grab theirs too. Its all about $$$ in Pakistan. They play both sides.


39 posted on 08/15/2011 8:05:09 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Liberals fight with smear, Conservatives fight with truth. Palin & West team are 2012's dream)
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To: dervish
“Can’t have it both ways. Either we hold them responsible for harboring terrorists, or we clean up their mess.”

You're right — Pakistan is duplicitous at best. Also, OBL did need to be taken out — no dispute there.

However, my point remains — the helicopter wasn't invited. Throughout history, sending in war machinery uninvited constituted an act of war. Pakistan isn't about to declare war on the world's superpower. That doesn't mean that they have to like the incursion. Giving their big, powerful, and rich neighbours a peek at the helicopter probably seemed like a low-risk act of passive regressive vengeance.

40 posted on 08/15/2011 8:41:59 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Mikey_1962
>>>>>Time to befriend India now that the USSR no longer exists.>>>>>>

Too late. Perhaps in The New New American Century (22nd) India, Pak, Chicoms, Iran and Russia are circling their wagons.

U.S. squandered Cold War victory and lost Asia.

41 posted on 08/15/2011 10:54:33 AM PDT by DTA (U.S. Centcom vs. U.S. AFRICOM)
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To: DTA
India, Pak, Chicoms, Iran and Russia are circling their wagons.

I don't think so.

Pakistan was born out of the Islam - Hindu conflict in India and the hatred is as strong today as it was at Independence. They hate India enough to go to war.

The Iranians although Islamic, are Persians who speak Farsi and have a superiority complex and tell everybody about it.

Russia after nearly 1000 years is STILL trying to become an Empire and has only two thing anybody wants to buy: cheap weapons and petroleum products.

The Chinese will do what they have done for the last two millennium: over play their regional power status and crumble from within.

42 posted on 08/15/2011 11:14:44 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. Alea iacta est!)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
The helicopter was in Pakistan, uninvited.

Oh, they invited it all right.


43 posted on 08/15/2011 11:19:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Just keep the oath. Why is that so much to ask?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Then why keep up the pretense that Pakistan is an ally?


44 posted on 08/15/2011 11:30:37 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

You’re asking the wrong person that.

But, your implication, that we violated their sovereignty, is somewhat mitigated BY THE FACT THAT THEY WERE SHELTERING OSAMA BIN LADEN.


45 posted on 08/15/2011 11:35:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Just keep the oath. Why is that so much to ask?)
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To: EternalVigilance
It wasn't just an implication -- the raid did violate Pakistan's sovereignty. Meanwhile, Pakistan was harbouring a war criminal, wanted by the U.S. Under normal circumstances, the combination would usually mean WAR. Clearly, Pakistan is isn't about to declare open war on the U.S.A. Instead, they're doing whatever they can get away with, in retaliation -- including giving the Chinese a peek at the helicopter. Factions of the Pak government are also likely continuing to support the Taliban -- while other factions continue to make a show of helping fight the Taliban.
46 posted on 08/15/2011 11:42:24 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

So, what’s your purpose here?


47 posted on 08/15/2011 11:55:19 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Just keep the oath. Why is that so much to ask?)
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