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Rick Perry: Illegal Immigrants Who Serve In The Military Deserve Citizenship
TPM ^ | August 20, 2011 | Evan McMorris-Santoro

Posted on 08/20/2011 1:32:05 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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Unless things have changed, foreign nationals with a green card could , and have served in our military. Check out the stories of citizenship ceremonies conducted in Iraq and elsewhere. As for my personal opinion, if they are willing to lay down their lives defending this country, the are welcome as brothers in arms. Semper Fidelis


401 posted on 08/21/2011 9:40:24 AM PDT by gunner03
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To: Vevey
Questioning whether or not you are rational was not intended as an insult; rather, I was drawing a conclusion from your posts. Many people with mental illness neither recognize nor accept it. I hope you get treatment and clear your head of whatever demons possess you.

If you want to act like commie liberal fine, more power to you pal.

402 posted on 08/21/2011 9:48:01 AM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: gunner03
As for my personal opinion, if they are willing to lay down their lives defending this country, the are welcome as brothers in arms. Semper Fidelis

Illegal aliens aren't joining the military because they are willing to lay down their lives for America. They are joining the military for all the benefits. If they get killed in the process that's no different than the risk they take illegally crossing the border. These people have no allegiance or loyalty to America or the rule of law. They grow up and live in cultures steeped in corruption and that is what they bring to the US. It doesn't work the other way, they don't become patriotic law abiding Americans.

403 posted on 08/21/2011 10:00:17 AM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: dennisw

I live in New York. Do you think my vote for president matters one bit? If Obama loses here, the Republican nominee is carrying 48 states. Even Giuliani could not beat Obama here. How can I vote for a candidate that celebrates abortion more than Obama does?


404 posted on 08/21/2011 10:09:13 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy
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To: Godebert

Where did you hear that?


405 posted on 08/21/2011 10:12:13 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy
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To: Vevey

Why don’t you realize that amnesty for illegals is blatantly unfair to those tens of millions of people waiting in line to enter this country? If we let everyone who wants to come to this country come here then it would be a different story but we don’t do that. Many of them are border jumpers and if we give them amnesty then they will be line jumpers as well.


406 posted on 08/21/2011 10:23:39 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; onyx
I noticed you didn't answer the question of how he can say such a ridiculous thing, and how he can defend illegals serving in our military.

Your guy has shown his stripes, he's nothing more than W when it comes to illegals, and frankly most genuine conservatives know this is not a good position to take, actually they know this is a horrendous position to take.

This is a disaster, and I noticed you haven't been able to defend it very well, actually, not at all.

I'll be waiting for your defense.

Admit it, he was stupid to say this, go ahead......man up......

407 posted on 08/21/2011 10:41:19 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

Too many conservatives can’t let go of the romantic fantasy about poor desperate illegal aliens crossing the border against all odds to achieve the American dream and become hyper-patriotic Americans.


408 posted on 08/21/2011 10:42:27 AM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Lakeshark

After watching Perry campaign and govern, my money is on him.

What’s wrong - nobody feels like fighting with you today?


409 posted on 08/21/2011 10:52:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Mr Perry, what part of illegal do you not understand!? You continue to look more and more like Obama every day and his way of doing business the more you suck up to the Mexican vote. You are looking more pathetic the more you embrace your chosen people.


410 posted on 08/21/2011 10:52:48 AM PDT by Ron H. (Loving my Deering Goodtime 2 Classic 5-stringer)
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To: Vevey
And why is this a bad idea? An “illegal” serving in the military has more social utility than a “citizen” living on welfare. This pathological bile spewing toward illegals is lunacy. Should a child brought illegally into this country @ 5 be judged by his status or his value to this country? It’s one thing to rail against deadbeats, quite another to lump those with negative social utility with those whose social contribution exceeds that of native born. Pathetic

The rule of law is the reason. The exceptions and nuances you argue for are just that, exceptions and nuances. Are you one of those elites that suggest the exceptions define the norm?

The only thing pathetic is your lack of understanding as to what the rule of law is and why it is not defined by the exceptions.

Illegal is illegal -period. Maybe the exceptions you champion could go to the head of the illegal line petitioning within the law for citizenship, but that is as far as they should go. They sure as hell should not bump any that follow the law.

411 posted on 08/21/2011 11:04:58 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What other "goodies?"

Chain immigration amongst other things. I do not object to giving citizenship to those who honorably serve in the military (4 years+), but I do not think that should enable them to bring an entire illiterate brood of welfare recipients along with them.

412 posted on 08/21/2011 12:09:24 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Ajnin

Going back to my post, a green card signifying being in this country legally is needed before being accepted. I said nothing about illegals joining. If they are in the country legally,join the military, serve their time,have a clean record, then I think they deserve citizenship. Semper Fidelis


413 posted on 08/21/2011 12:28:52 PM PDT by gunner03
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To: triumphant values

OK, I now know what you are referring to - the Naturalization Acts of 1790 and following.

I reread them to refresh my memory. Thanks for pointing to them.

I agree with you in the sense that they were thinking “white” - the civilized world they came from.
I doubt they could see where things would go.

It was wise of them to require a period of legal status, lengthy enough for someone new to our
system to learn how things are done here. I note it was lengthened during the French Rev.

Still, affluence was not a requirement, or education or country of origin - just a demonstration
of good character over an extended period of residence, and of course, being white.


414 posted on 08/21/2011 12:32:58 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (This message carfully checkd to misteakes by powerful softwhere)
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To: NFHale

Amen


415 posted on 08/21/2011 12:43:17 PM PDT by winodog
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; onyx
Great non answer. You can't defend what he said, so you have to try to snark your way through.

Most of us want a candidate who isn't just a good "candidate", but one who will actually govern as a conservative and not a panderer.

That you can't defend his soft illegal immigration stances is quite telling, that you won't try to defend the asinine thing he just said about illegals in the military is even worse because it shows you can't.

Conservatives shouldn't pander for the illegal vote. Other conservatives don't support candidates who pander to the illegal vote.

None of us wants another W dream act candidate and neither should you. This is not some small issue, this is one of the half a dozen biggies. Shame on him.

416 posted on 08/21/2011 1:30:45 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

Take a pill, please.


417 posted on 08/21/2011 1:33:23 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Reduced to snark because she can't defend what her candidate says. Congrats.

That's not a good thing.

Neither is it good your candidate is soft on illegal immigration. Defend it or stop supporting him, but don't pretend he didn't say something wrong by being snarky. That won't work here.

418 posted on 08/21/2011 1:43:14 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

IF an illegal alien is enlisted into the military, we have a security and clearance issue.


419 posted on 08/21/2011 1:45:43 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray

Legal Aliens with a green card was allowed in my squadron. She did everything required to be a citizen. It took her two years. That is acceptable. BTW, the missions are secret.

Illegal aliens are to be deported. Seasonal immigrants were allowed with documentation. ca. 1983


420 posted on 08/21/2011 1:51:52 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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