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Birth Control, Contraception Don’t Stop Abortion, Help Women
Life News ^ | 8/19/11 | Kristan Hawkins

Posted on 08/20/2011 1:53:21 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: sometime lurker
No, I didn't go through the links because they appeared to be links to postings, not direct to articles

The links wagglebee posted were to articles posted on FR. They were not to individual comments by people on FR. As you know, due to lawsuits and copyright issues FR can rarely post entire articles. So, if you click the links wagglebee posted on comment 62, you will find entire articles with one additional click.

Is that too difficult for you?

Scientific evidence is scientific evidence. Are you claiming all the scientific journals that have published studies are involved in a conspiracy?

Are you saying that political correctness i.e. the abortion industry and feminism have no influence on scientific research, or what various journals and outlets publicize or bury?

181 posted on 08/20/2011 9:57:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: DJ MacWoW; Tax-chick

I knew a lot of that stuff but some was new. They put everything together very clearly. Tax-chick’s tagline is true.

People need to watch that. It won’t change the minds of the brain dead leftists, but it will help people who aren’t completely entrhalled by evil.


182 posted on 08/20/2011 9:58:56 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Oh, so you think I am selfish?
Really?
I paid $8000 in property taxes last year so your children ( or someone elses) could attend school ( not mine).
My federal taxes have gone into SSD for disabled children ( not mine), low cost student loans ( not mine).
My state sales tax ( which I pay a lot of because I am upper income)- -a part of which goes to upper education to educate your children ( not mine)
I can only claim a standard deduction, unlike you who can claim your children ( not mine).
In the future,your children will revolt , and not pay Social Security, after all the money I have paid into the system.
At least, not having children has saved me hundreds of thousands of dollars for my retirement, as I will probably not get Social Security.
And you call me selfish?
I have paid and paid to support your children.


183 posted on 08/20/2011 9:59:11 PM PDT by kaila
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To: vladimir998
The pro-life cause is never extreme.

You have gone so far past being "pro-life" that I think you must be a Reid plant to ensure conservativism is repulsive to all reasoning people.

184 posted on 08/20/2011 9:59:43 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: DJ MacWoW

There have been some very entlightening threads on FR lately. People who have chosen evil over good, right here on our very own FR. The strange thing is they seem to think that they are conservatives. And yet they hate human beings, the natural family, and procreation.


185 posted on 08/20/2011 10:00:21 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: surroundedbyblue
I resent that the truth about the Pill has be[e]n supressed

You poor delusional soul. The side effects of the pill have been known to anyone who cared to find out about it all my adult life, and no thinking considerate male would demand that a woman talk a drug she did not want to take after fully informed of the risks. But barrier methods are also decried as evil by your crowd of Luddite fellow travelers. Perhaps you should eschew penicillin and tetracycline as well. Then you can die of a common infection like at age 5 like God meant. Or did he? I am so confused by what I am supposed to believe God meant for us after listening to those of you who are so Christian and know so much better than the rest of us.

186 posted on 08/20/2011 10:07:09 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: little jeremiah

Evil to choose to not have children?
Evil is murder, rape, incest, child abuse.
Get your priorities straight.
Personally, I think 50% of families in this country should not procreate.
Having sex and popping out a baby is easy, raising a child is not.
I would say 50% of people in this country are not up to the task.


187 posted on 08/20/2011 10:08:13 PM PDT by kaila
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To: BenKenobi
When you put a bike together, do you believe that it is important to follow the instructions listed, or would you prefer to simply figure things out on your own and do the best you can? Do you believe that there is a moral jusitification for choosing one approach over the other?

For how to put a bike together? Good grief you folks are insane.

188 posted on 08/20/2011 10:09:45 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: little jeremiah
People who have chosen evil over good, right here on our very own FR

Who put you in charge to say that condoms are evil right here on your very own FR? Who? I want to know? Does God speak to you in voices? Did he give you a sign that you are among the annnoited to tell the rest of us that we are living in sin?

189 posted on 08/20/2011 10:12:00 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: hocndoc
Those of you who know me know that ethics is my avocation and that pro-life medical ethics are my passion.

However, contraception and/or childlessness whether due to infertility, abstinence or responsible contraception (including natural family planning) do not equal abortion or a lack of respect for human dignity.

If you don't know that some oral contraceptives are abortifacient, then your "passion" is very superficial.

190 posted on 08/20/2011 10:13:37 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
If you don't know that some oral contraceptives are abortifacient,

Where did this "some" appear. Your fellow travellers are speaking in God-given absolutes. We [They I mean] mean all, including not just pharmaceuticals but barriers as well. Oh and they cause communism too. You need to get with the program.

Yes we all know that "some" are abortifacient. No one on this side of the table is quite as stupid as those on your side of the table are making us out to be.

192 posted on 08/20/2011 10:19:16 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: little jeremiah
The links wagglebee posted were to articles posted on FR. They were not to individual comments by people on FR. As you know, due to lawsuits and copyright issues FR can rarely post entire articles. So, if you click the links wagglebee posted on comment 62, you will find entire articles with one additional click. Is that too difficult for you?

No need for the sarcasm. When I post information, I try to make it easy for people to find the original scientific information. If you don't want to extend the same courtesy, don't expect people to do extra work to find buried information.

For instance, the first link goes to an article on the LifeNews site, which is not a scientific research article. It then has a link that says "four epidemiologic studies," that turns out to be a link to another LifeNews article - again not a scientific research paper. Clicking links in that article took me to an analysis, again not the original research. At that point, I gave up. If you read my original comment on this (#110) you'll see that I thought I had seen there was recent research supporting the link, but I can't now find it. When I looked today, I find several studies showing no link. If you have a link to a good quality (reasonable size, preferably prospective) study, please post it and I'll be glad to see it. Otherwise, don't waste my time asking me to comb through multiple links from nonscientific sources.

193 posted on 08/20/2011 10:20:22 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: trisham

Oh, they know we didn’t want twins. I cried when I found out. I knew it was dangerous, plus I didn’t know how we were going to afford it.

We laugh about it now, but it was hard. They got sick and almost died. One of them has a brain injury.

They are sweethearts. We’ve been blessed!


194 posted on 08/20/2011 10:21:51 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: trisham

Oh, they know we didn’t want twins. I cried when I found out. I knew it was dangerous, plus I didn’t know how we were going to afford it.

We laugh about it now, but it was hard. They got sick and almost died. One of them has a brain injury.

They are sweethearts. We’ve been blessed!


195 posted on 08/20/2011 10:21:52 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: kaila
Evil to choose to not have children?

How many more trillions do the liberals get to add to the [annual budget] deficit because of these ridiculous arguments? Instead of stopping it here, it seems we are going to go for broke in pursuit of the absurd.

196 posted on 08/20/2011 10:23:22 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: sometime lurker
LifeNews site, which is not a scientific research article. It then has a link that says "four epidemiologic studies," that turns out to be a link to another LifeNews article - again not a scientific research paper. Clicking links in that article took me to an analysis, again not the original research.

Wow. This is exactly the same run around you get from that other crowd of FR fraudsters - the cold fusionistas.

197 posted on 08/20/2011 10:26:04 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: hocndoc; miss marmelstein
That post was terribly inaccurate.

You did see my tagline, did you not?

The good news is that subsequent pregnancies can mitigate this effect in some women.

Not if they keep getting an abortion.

The immature cells that become abnormal and may continue to divide, until some of them become abnormal enough to be cancer.

Left over hormones or cell changes.... the result is the same.

198 posted on 08/20/2011 10:28:38 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: AndyJackson

I am tired, I have to say goodnight.
I agree with what you have said on this thread.
I really, really, want Obama gone next election.
However, when you have people on FR who state that oral contraception is evil, the MSM ( who probably reads these threads)will portray that all conservatives are in agreement with this line of thought. Like it or not, the MSM still has a lot of power.
The people in the middle, who determine the outcome of elections, will think Republicans and conservatives all feel that way. They will vote Democrat.
We will have another 4 years of Obama.
Our country cannot survive another 4 years of Democratic rule.
When I see zealotry to the Taliban level, which runs counter to most reasoned opinion among conservatives, I will fight against it.
To the MSM, not all conservatives feel this way.
Only ultra,ultra, right wing conservatives feel this way.
They are in the minority.


199 posted on 08/20/2011 10:30:41 PM PDT by kaila
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To: hocndoc
Breast milk never causes cancer.

It may not. But something does. What causes the cells to die in large volumes, which is what the word 'cancer' denotes? And why specifically in the breast?

200 posted on 08/20/2011 10:32:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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