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To: kaila; wagglebee; BenKenobi; DJ MacWoW
Let me get this straight- you believe that women should not take the birth control pill?

yes, and men should be responsible for their actions -- if there is a single mom, find the dad and make him pay for the child's upkeep until the age of 18. Dad has no job? Make him work for the state and confiscate the earnings to pay for the kids

Yes, the attitude of "let's sleep around and not worry about consequences" leads to the number of welfare-state single moms and to men sleeping around with no responsibilities or no worries

Think of it -- this society of bed-hopping is great for guys, they can be perpetual no-responsibility types

I'm not talking about your specific case, but about the general users of contraceptives as a whole

This is not "Talibanization", but forcing the MEN to realise their actions

you say I did not want children, and therefore I was not forced to have them because of an accident --> children are NOT an "accident" -- they are gifts from God.

What happens if one's contraception fails? One has an "accident" -- ooops. Let's avoid the accident, one would think, so abortion is just "correcting an accident"

Mind you -- I'm not talking about your case but how this line of thinking goes

Women who have the freedom to choose pregnancy (or not) is not causing the decay of our society. --> but this is not "women having the freedom" no more than murdering babies is "women having the freedom". What it is is guys able to have sex with no consequences -- sleep with as many women as you want, contraceptives will prevent 92% of the pregnancies, for the others, abortion or tell the mother to get state welfare. This is great for a guy, right?

428 posted on 08/22/2011 5:53:50 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos
men should be responsible for their actions....What happens if one's contraception fails?

Someone has finally posed a moral and social question [or hypothesis] that can be discussed and debated and I think conservatives would generally (not speaking absolutes) agree with your position.

But this is far different from the position that it is evil to use contraception as a method for "family planning."

I meet someone I love at graduate school, marry her and we agree that we will have children after I have finished school and get a job that will support a family. We use contraception as a measure to effectuate our plans. Now, if the contraception fails, I have to go get a job, delaying completing my thesis and getting a better job. It's a shame, it's an enormous hassle, but I do the responsible thing.

But the absolutists here would claim that my wife and I are living in sin.

The crux of this moral issue is personal responsibility, not condoms. But the clueless moralizing on this forum does not distinguish between the two. And they kill any attraction that conservatism might have for others. Twisted conservative logic is just as dangerous as twisted liberal logic.

444 posted on 08/22/2011 6:52:21 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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