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To: HerbieHoover
It’s incoherent to talk about states having “rights”. Only individuals have rights

What the hell are you talking about? Are you honestly telling me that states don't have rights? They have the rights to enact legislation dealing with areas in with the feds have no jurisdiction, which is 95% of areas. Of course individuals have rights. In keeping with the spirit of this article, if a state wanted to legalize murder of homosexuals, for example, the feds would have to step in an intervene. States are not allowed to do things that violate the inherent human rights of their citizens. A state deciding that it wants to define marriage and exclude homosexual couples from that definition is not interfering with their fundamental rights. The homosexual couples have the right to do what they want in their own household, they have the right to own property, they have the right to vote, etc. If you think that gay marriage is included as a fundamental right then you're a liberal in my opinion, HERBIE. If you want to get your state out of the marriage business, then fine. But you don't have the right to force other states to get themselves out of the marriage business by using the force of the federal government. Currently, all 50 states recognize the value of their governments being involved in marriage.

9 posted on 08/22/2011 10:37:40 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy; HerbieHoover
HerbieHoover:
It’s incoherent to talk about states having “rights”. Only individuals have rights
10thAmendmentGuy:
What the hell are you talking about? Are you honestly telling me that states don't have rights?
Wow, tenth, one would expect better of one with the name you chose.

States have powers granted them by free citizens. Go reread the tenth amendment you've named yourself after; "powers", not "rights"...
27 posted on 08/22/2011 10:58:18 AM PDT by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

I agree, only individuals have rights. A right is an absolute that exists because that person lives and breathes. Governments have powers.


110 posted on 08/22/2011 1:09:50 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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