Posted on 08/24/2011 7:29:27 PM PDT by dragnet2
Just in case I need to, let me clarify my last sentence. When I said "is that what we want?" it was a rhetorical question asked of the FR public at large.
For reasons I don't pretend to understand, there are folks on this site that tend to go after every front runner we have because the candidate either isn't the perfect candidate, or isn't "their" guy!! In all honesty, I will be one of the first to say we should demand candidates who understand what we want and supports the things we need from government. Perry is my guv and I have mixed feelings about him. He is a politician's politician and knows all the right things to say. He also has some baggage. Most politicians do. I don't like his stand on immigration and controlling the border but, by the same token, he has been making a lot of noise about it and he is saying all the right things these days.
At the end of the day, I believe that actions speak louder than words. Absent a run by Sarah Palin, Perry is next on my list. And, we still have a long way to go to next November.
I'm not filling out my ballot just yet.
Another Islamic group speaking favorably of Perry and his relationship with Muslims:
Mahmoud Eboo, President of the Ismaili Council for the USA.
“We’ve seen him for 20 years at state level, as lieutenant governor and state governor,” Mr. Elbiary says.
“Throughout that whole history, Perry’s never taken an anti-Muslim or anti-Islam position. In fact, Perry’s relations with Ismailis, a Shia sect of Islam whose adherents number between 30,000 and 40,000 in Texas, have been particularly positive.
Go ahead and read up, and tell me what you think. Same goes for anyone who's worried about this issue.
Ace of Spades hates Palin and Perry lied to Sarah and the people of Texas about running for president.
I like Palin, but this article isn't about her, and the article I'm referencing isn't about her. There's no need to drag her into it.
Ace's article on Perry and Islam is clearly correct. Read it for yourself and see.
I get it you’re all for Perry...that’s pretty evident...but there is more at stake here than a Pres. candidate. He’s a Pres. Candidate who ‘believes’ there is nothing to be concerned about Islamists if he determines so.
His nievity, as with Christy’s and others who are sucked into believing there is nothing to be concerned about is far more than worrisome or troubling....it’s high risk catering to a very large political group who has a polticial agenda in our country....and that the Islamization of the United States.
Ismailism is still Islam and still reveres the prophet Muhammed. It doesn’t matter whether Ismailis under Aga Khan are Westernized or friendly to the ways of the West, their religious beliefs and ideology doesn’t change its spots, it is still Islam........they all follow the same book.
Additionally the Aga Khan is very actively involved in ‘importing large numbers of Mohammedans into the US’ and Canada, building Muslim townships from scratch. Which Texas certainly demonstraits this.
If Muslims are instructed that the ends justify the means ...and evil things are not evil if they are doing it to expand Islam can they be trusted? .......The recent history in Europe should be a distinct warning to everyone in the United States.
So no I am not worried about Perry....I am very much frightened for our country as the risk, if he determines to and I see no reason why he wouldn’t, takes this nation the same way he has taken Texas....and that by actively inviting, encouraging, recruiting, and participating in bringing Muslims into his state and honoring them for doing so. This he has done with them from his office as well as throughout the Muslim communities...including establishing specific accomodations for Muslims...via his signiture....which adheres to Shariah Law.
Ace of Spades....yea right. Not interested.
He’s a Pres. Candidate who ‘believes’ there is nothing to be concerned about Islamists if he determines so.
The term 'Islamist' refers to militant Muslims. There is no one outside of Barack Obama who isn't concerned with Islamists.
And, in full disclosure, yes, I'm for Perry. Not to the exclusion of any other candidate, especially Palin. The reason I'm for Perry on this particular issue is that his handling of the Ismailis is the best feasible course of action for Muslim outreach for someone that's actually dealing with the problem. I've seen engagement from the tactical-level Army's ideal, I've seen it from the national level defense ideal, from Bush's ideal and Obama's. Perry's is head and shoulders above any of them.
People below that level are free to be as cowboy aggressive as they like, but it's the actions in the big leagues that matter. Palin, who I like quite a bit, is utterly untested in this regard. While I like to think she's do well, my idea of 'doing well' and your idea are probably quite different. And her version would be much like Perry's. Find the most moderate game in town and play it up. It's not an issue in Alaska. It is an issue in Texas. So, people give Perry a lot of crap for this, but at the end of the day, their pet candidates will do the exact same thing.
Or they'll do like Bush, and saddle up with billionaire Wahabbi exporting whackjobs or straight up terrorists like Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood. The idea that some politician in 2011 is just going to grab the bullhorn and tell the Muzzies to go home is about as likely as them putting a loaded revolver in their mouth and squeezing the trigger. It won't happen, and if that's your ideal, it's outside the realm of possibility.
So you’re for appeasing and reaching out to the Muslims, and change our laws to accomodate them...make cities for them... rather than requirements they assimilate into our culture? Becuase this is what is happening.
They will never assimilate... never happen...rather they will continue with their political agenda...one of which is using politicians to help their agenda. And they are doing just that. The other is to educate the public in exactly they want Islam to be presented, INITIALLY, in the US. And to use our educational system and instructors to do just that.
They are winning and they know it.....I oppose their agenda at every level...and will do so continually. This is the United States of America.....NOT THE MIDDLE EAST!
This nation was warned time and again about Muslims coming here.....and now they’re building their communities here and bringing all who will come to populate our nation. It is how they operate.
I would have zero problem sending them all home to the nations they come from....and all Mosques and Community centers gone....but you are likely right...that’s not going to happen because they have already moved beyond simply arriving....they are digging in deep and fast. Using our laws is quickly moving to changing them to accomodate them.
We are loosing our country....and the Muslims will indeed thrive here and their political agenda succeed in no time if we do not stop this. Take a look at Europe....
Do you really want “No-Go” areas in the US...and Shariah here? Those who do not oppose are for their agenda. It’s that simple.
America is much further behind, but the difference is, our problems are not terminal. Europe will collapse into Islamic rule long before we do, which will alert the American fence sitters as to the reality of the situation.
I have no doubt that a reckoning is coming in America as to our Muslim population. They're simply not compatible with American values. BUT, unfortunately, the vast, overwhelming number of Americans don't see that yet. If you try to force that on them, they'll resist it.
Even the Army is utterly absorbed into PC bullshit. They had no problem with the fact that 80% of the people we captured with hard evidence were released within six months, and we'd have to recapture them again after they killed yet more innocents or Soldiers. We did everything to win their favor, but there's no favor to win. They just don't like us, and don't want to be like us. They want our weapons, money and technology, and that's all. The Army knew it, but the leadership was happier to lose the war than admit the awful truth.
So I hold out even less hope for the American people.
All we can really do is slow the bleed here by minimizing the extremists, and playing up our own moderates, until the rest of the country catches on. As moderates go, Ismailis are the Episcopalians of Islam. They're just in it for the social events, but none of the real sects think they're worth half a toss.
European countries falling into flames will be the catalyst. America needs to see on live TV what happens when a Western nation falls to Islam, or they won't understand. Not enough to make a difference, anyway.
If I thought there was any other way, I'd be all for it. I just don't see the average American squish giving up on PC fantasies until they see Europe beaten to death by savages.
Is that why the Khan is very busy building Muslim communities in our country?...for social events!
Not so...further the Ismailes follow the Prophet Mohammed and adhere to the Koran....same book ...same prophet. Do you not get that?....the facade is necessary to make the inroads they have....and that will continue so people will accept them...UNTIL.....
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