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To: RFEngineer
Perry isn't lying. Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme; however, just as it would be monstrously unfair to continue imposing the scheme on future generations, it would be equally monstrous to simply yank the rug out from underneath retirees and those nearing retirement who are simply too old to ever be able to go back to work and earn enough money to make up for the loss of their social security welfare.

That's precisely the problem with massive ponzi-style entitlement schemes like social security; it's not enough to just realize that it's a ponzi scheme and that it needs to be dismantled, you also have to dismantle it in a way that doesn't simply throw the elderly into the gutters without any means of support.

If you think dumping every elderly person on their keister is fair, then I would suggest that you do not understand the meaning of "fair."
68 posted on 08/28/2011 7:00:34 AM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: Oceander

“Perry isn’t lying. Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme;”

I agree, that is a true statement.

“just as it would be monstrously unfair to continue imposing the scheme on future generations, it would be equally monstrous to simply yank the rug out from underneath retirees”

I agree with this too.

But if you take the first statement (SS is a Ponzi Scheme) and try to square it with the second (younger generations should not pay in, and older generations should not stop collectiong) there is a lie somewhere. Can we not agree on that?

Perry can’t promise that present year spending priorities will not impact SS recipients with his proposal. He is simply pandering to younger voters, and pandering to older voters at the same time. That is dishonest - but I am quick to point out that EVERY politician tells the same lie. Perry is just splitting the same lie in two - one part to younger voters, and the other part to older voters.


73 posted on 08/28/2011 7:08:29 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Oceander

“If you think dumping every elderly person on their keister is fair, then I would suggest that you do not understand the meaning of “fair.””

Where did I say this? Be specific - because as you know I never said this.

I am as concerned about what we do with elderly as anyone else. If you truly care about them, you would not pretend that Social Security and Medicare will be available to the elderly now and into the future. If you truly care about the elderly and what will happen to them after Social Security checks stop coming, you’d realize that their welfare will be in the hands of families, and local charities.

Perry is another politician with a variant of the same Social Security lie. “Everyone gets to collect forever if you are old” and “Nobody has to pay if they are young”.

Please. A little less personality cult, and a little more cynicism towards every politician is due. That includes Perry.


78 posted on 08/28/2011 7:19:34 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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