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Holy smokes: State sends Pleasant Hill man hefty cigarette tax bill
Contra Costa Times ^ | 8/28/11 | Lisa P. White

Posted on 08/28/2011 3:11:07 PM PDT by SmithL

PLEASANT HILL -- To get a good deal, Paul Brodman used to buy cigarettes online.

Little did he know, those smokes weren't the bargain they appeared to be. There's no getting out of paying state taxes simply by buying cigarettes online.

Earlier this month, Brodman received a bill for $1,398 from the State Board of Equalization for back taxes and penalties he owes for 100 cartons of cigarettes he bought online from an out-of-state retailer in 2007 and 2008. Initially, Brodman thought it was a mistake.

"We smoked them; we didn't resell them," he said. "I wasn't selling them on the corner."

When he bought cigarettes online, Brodman should have paid the state an excise tax of 87 cents per pack, plus a use tax of 8.25 percent on the total purchase amount.

"We know that people make purchases out of state and online looking for a deal, and they know they're getting away with something, or they should know they're getting away with something," said Anita Gore, spokeswoman for the State Board of Equalization. "It is the law that these taxes be paid."

Brodman says he turned to the Internet because cigarettes were "substantially cheaper" than at the corner store.

One reason cigarettes are more expensive in California than in some other states is because voters have added several surtaxes to cigarettes and other tobacco products over the years. The base cigarette tax is 12 cents per pack. The additional 75-cent tax on each pack funds tobacco-related health education programs and

(Excerpt) Read more at contracostatimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: cigarettes; goldenstate; pufflist; salestax; smoking; statesalestax; taxandspend; taxes; taxman
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To: Drango
Proud to say I, and millions of other non-smoking conservatives support taxes on other people's cigarettes.

There, fixed it for you.

41 posted on 08/28/2011 4:11:12 PM PDT by Bob
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To: SmithL
Ah, for all you anti-smoking ZEALOTS (and I was under the impression this was a CONSERVATIVE site which abhored taxes?) unless I am mistaken, whenever ANYTHING is purchases online, in ANY State, the buyer is responsible for reporting (AND PAYING) the sales tax for said item.

So, now, who is going to try and admit they never bought anything online and if so, dutifully paid every penny of taxes due your State?

Remember, today they are going after those who purchased cigs; tomorrow some of you may be getting one of those "notices" in the mail!

And yes I smoke and yes I used to buy cigs online until thanks to that Fascist Moonbat Elliot (Client No. 9) Spitzer who browbeat Credit Card Co.'s into not processing orders, it became more difficult but not impossible.

Not satisfied with that, he "cajoled" and threatened Fed Ex and all other carriers to stop accepting shipments.

Well for some reason the USPS escaped scrutiny, until last year, when our Dear Leader signed a Bill (introduced by NY Legistlators who lose the most as they have several Indian Reservations) stopping that.

So now as far as I know, one can no longer buy tobacco products online.

42 posted on 08/28/2011 4:11:50 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

First 5, just another ca.gov slush fund


43 posted on 08/28/2011 4:12:00 PM PDT by twistedwrench
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To: Drango

You are not a conservative no matter what you may claim to be.


44 posted on 08/28/2011 4:15:05 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: CGalen

HA! Funniest thing I’ve read this week.


45 posted on 08/28/2011 4:15:28 PM PDT by steveo (PETO-VT-IN-MARI-SVB-CRVCE-AVSTRALI-SEPELIAR)
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To: Drango

“I don’t mind being called a Nazi by addicts or those who pimp death.”

You’re zero for two, Heinrich. I neither use nor sell nor advertise tobacco in any form.

I just have a case of the red ass for tobacco Nazis, especially those who want to tax something out of existence because the good people of the United States refused to outlaw it.


46 posted on 08/28/2011 4:19:02 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: SmithL

I am A republican and I woulkd never vote for anyone proposing raising taxes. And I California pols. And I live in a red county but pay for all the blue ones. California sucks!!!


47 posted on 08/28/2011 4:19:22 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: CGalen; SmithL
If the people of California do not like paying high taxes for cigarettes, then why don’t they just lower those taxes?

Smoking is not very popular in CA. I don't know whether the chicken or the egg were first here, but a large number of people (can't say majority without specific numbers in hand) don't smoke. You can walk around a typical company building that employs 2,000 workers and count smokers outside on fingers of one hand.

Myself, I don't smoke, never smoked, and I avoid tobacco smoke in every way possible.

48 posted on 08/28/2011 4:19:38 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
no longer buy tobacco products online.

The PACT ACT prohibiting shipping by the postal service was passed UNANIMOUSLY by the Senate. Both conservatives and liberal senators think smokers suck.

49 posted on 08/28/2011 4:22:19 PM PDT by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

“So now as far as I know, one can no longer buy tobacco products online.”

I swear if I didn’t have small children counting on me, I’d get a muscle car and start smuggling cigs.

Camel straights only. I hate to look down and see a pile of cigarette filters.


50 posted on 08/28/2011 4:23:12 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Drango

That’s okay because I think all senators suck.


51 posted on 08/28/2011 4:24:42 PM PDT by beandog
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To: beandog

Good point.


52 posted on 08/28/2011 4:25:49 PM PDT by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: Drango
Econ 101. An increase in price produces a decrease in demand.

As well as a decrease in revenue and then when the programs those revenues funded need more revenue I'm sure you and the rest of your NON conservative statists will gladly vote to raise taxes on yourselves, won't you?

53 posted on 08/28/2011 4:27:45 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

You can buy pipe tobacco in 3 strengths, excise taxes paid, for $13-$15/lb. It is sold specifically for stuff-your-own cigarettes. This will stuff 2 1/2 cartons of 100mm tubes with filters. With shipping and tubes, it is about $8/carton. it would be less for regular length cigarettes. The machine is $45.

It is a legal loophole. The law is totally about pre-made cigarettes.


54 posted on 08/28/2011 4:27:52 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Drango
Both conservatives and liberal senators think smokers suck.

YOu've crossed the line there buddy boy...........I suggest you hit abuse on yourself and get your poste deleted before someone else has it done for you.

55 posted on 08/28/2011 4:29:52 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: SmithL
Brodman and his wife quit smoking a few years ago when the price of a pack of cigarettes reached $5.

Wondering if the state will sue him for loss of future tax revenue?

56 posted on 08/28/2011 4:30:03 PM PDT by Gena Bukin (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: umgud
Under federal law, online cigarette retailers must report purchase information to state tax collectors, Gore said.

I guess that clause is lurking in the penumbra as well.

57 posted on 08/28/2011 4:33:28 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: SmithL; All

You can still order them online here:
https://www.senecasmokeshop.com/oasiscrm/shopping.asp?directive=CheckZip

Don’t know how they get around the law.
We don’t use them.
The smoker in the family, grand-pere, rolls his own.


58 posted on 08/28/2011 4:42:51 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: reformedliberal

You can buy pipe tobacco in 3 strengths, excise taxes paid, for $13-$15/lb. It is sold specifically for stuff-your-own cigarettes. This will stuff 2 1/2 cartons of 100mm tubes with filters. With shipping and tubes, it is about $8/carton. it would be less for regular length cigarettes. The machine is $45.

___________________

That’s what my grandfather does.
Works well.

.


59 posted on 08/28/2011 4:45:12 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Drango
I call myself a Republican and a conservative. And I’ve served on the GOP Central Committee and been to many a FReeper and Tea Party rally. Proud to say I, and millions of other conservatives support taxes on cigarettes.

You sir, are a RINO of the worst kind - too mesmerized by your own ego to understand why you're wrong. It is not the responsibility of the government to legislate morality or remove freedoms. Taxation, particularly sin taxes, is nothing more than an attempt to do both.

60 posted on 08/28/2011 4:50:01 PM PDT by RobertClark (On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)
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