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Romney, Dems Look to Weaponize Bachmann (Hopes Bachmann Will “Rip [Perry’s] Eyes Out”)
FoxNews.com ^ | August 30, 2011 | Chris Stirewalt

Posted on 08/30/2011 7:52:12 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: ken5050
That is not how he treated Kay Bailey. He treated her like an opponent,and adversary.

Perry would more likely to say "Michelle, running a state of 24 million with a is a lot different than being one of 435 congressmen. My state has created over a million jobs since I became governor, how many have you created?"

51 posted on 08/30/2011 9:20:37 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy

We actually don’t know if there is any truth in this. Hey...who knows Mitt may have promised her the VP position.


52 posted on 08/30/2011 9:22:28 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: shield

“Perry, on the other hand, is no wimp...he can dish it back harder than Michelle ever thought of.”

I could vote for either of them, but he holds the high ground on executive experience and accomplishment. He just has to ruthlessly compare resumes and she will be crushed by the comparison. They are actually my two favorites of the announced candidates, and I am not surprised the jackal Romney is circling and sniffing around, hoping for scraps from conservative infighting.

I agree with some others who do not expect this to play by the liberals’ script.


53 posted on 08/30/2011 9:37:15 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Bigtigermike

“The day Bachmann hired Ed Rollins was the day any chance she had of winning flew out of the window.”

S’truth.


54 posted on 08/30/2011 9:41:34 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: bwc2221
1. Romney

2. Perry

3. No of the above

I’ll take door #3.

And, behind door #3 -- Barrack Obama. Congratulations, you just decided to help put a Marxist back into office for four more years who will have the ability to shape the direction of the Supreme Court for the next 30 years.

Maybe Communist Party USA or George Soros will send you a prize.

55 posted on 08/30/2011 9:50:03 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: RitaOK

“...[W]e all know the singular issue this election is about—reversing economic catastrophe orchestrated by Marxists.”

Yes. Unprecedented in its obviousness this time. FDR was as bad, but the socialism of that era ran its course with stealth rather than defiant confrontation. This will be a truly unique campaign cycle.


56 posted on 08/30/2011 9:50:19 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: caww
I do not want to see our country go the way of Texas

So, you'd rather continue to see job losses rather than job growth?

57 posted on 08/30/2011 9:56:00 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: txrangerette
She is Romney’s opposite number and would not knowingly or wittingly be his stalking horse. That was true before Perry got in, that is true now.

You're on the right track, but think like a politician, and the game plan is clear.

Bachmann is a strong conservative, and well liked by the base. She's not going to be President, though. She doesn't have the right resume to win in the general. Arguably, she's less qualified than Obama. Not as far as ideals go, but in background. Obama's was Ivy League educated and Senator, and even he was an anomaly. Bachmann can fire up the base, but she can't close the deal with independents.

Romney's got the right resume. He was a governor. Business experience. Able to raise cash by the truckload. What he doesn't have is any measurable fan base. He was beaten by McCain, who ran a 'last man standing' operation. Now Romney's trying the same gambit. If he wins, he'll face the same problem. He'll need a strong conservative who can fire up the base.

In other words, Romney has no path to victory without a Bachmann-like VP, and Bachmann has no path to being President unless she's VP first. She needs a moderate governor who needs conservative street cred. Romney needs a major bone to throw to the conservative right who despises him.

These two need each other. That's why they haven't laid so much as a glove on each other on any debate so far.

58 posted on 08/30/2011 10:08:49 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: markomalley

Anyone who flies, or has flown, military fighter aircraft makes more critical decisions in 30 seconds than Obama (or Romney) makes in a career. Other than the addled McCain, I am thinking of GHWB, GWB, Perry.


59 posted on 08/30/2011 10:19:03 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: Kazan

Not about jobs....though Perry’s cheap border labor does speak volumes where his reports come from. I do not want to see our President recruting and co-operating with the Islamic push in our country as Perry has done in Texas.

It matters not what sect they are... they all adhere to the Koran and Mohammeds teachings...Perry has favored Muslims in his state and actively participated with them establishing a Muslim base to be the “Mineret of the West” just as they have they have stated on their website.

Perry s ways of bringing jobs to his state is not the way i want to see our country going. Establishing a beachhead for companies on his southern border for companies to obtain cheap labor is not the way to go....open borders..are his game and he wants them secure in order to establish that coporate beachead....but he will not close the border.

Further he will be seeking, and has, Federal Taxpayers monies to pay for that security. Let Texas pay for their own security.....or do what Americans want...close the border. I dare not imagine what Perry will do on all our borders and who and how many Muslims he will invite in.

Further there are other conservative candidates who don’t play the “Pay to Play” games Perry does...Plugging the job issues with foreigners so you can claim the jobs you’ve made is NOT the way to go.


60 posted on 08/30/2011 10:19:20 AM PDT by caww
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To: Kazan

You are deceived if you think the choice is only Perry or Romney....and by not voting for either is voting for Obama.

I will not play the vote against Obama game just to have another Rhino assume control....not to mention both are going to lead this nation on a global scale.

This election is too important to let the Democrates and Media determine who our candidates are. Perry jumped in only to offset Romney....I don’t believe he ever wanted the position...no doubt somebody has “payed” to get Perry to “play”....that’s his style.


61 posted on 08/30/2011 10:23:49 AM PDT by caww
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To: markomalley

See this is what happens to loser candidates. They can’t get their message across, they can’t defend their positions, they can’t garner enthusiasm from voters for their ideas; so they hem and haw and attack the candidates. Candidates should work on their inadequacies first and only go after an opponent’s glaring flaws. Anyone can be a gnat. People want leaders, and interesting personalities. That’s just politics.


62 posted on 08/30/2011 10:40:46 AM PDT by Force of Truth (Intelligence and virtue are preferable in a candidate, but I'd much rather he or she be chinchy.)
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To: caww
I will not play the vote against Obama game just to have another Rhino assume control

Perry is no RINO by any sane definition of the term.

If Obama gets four more years because of your decision, you and others like you are to blame for the destruction that will follow. You'll have no right to complain about anything.

63 posted on 08/30/2011 10:50:22 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

That’s you’re opinion....I do think Perry is a rhino and have varied reasons other than that why I will not vote for him.

You and others can kick and scream all you want that if people don’t vote for “your guy” that the responsiblitlyt if Obama is re-elected is ours are fulll of crap.

Why aren’t people voting for conservatives in the primary? Why get behind one who is not simply is causing me to question who is really conservative.


64 posted on 08/30/2011 10:54:46 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

I can’t believe some people are such spoiled-sports that they would not vote against Obama, just because their guy or girl didn’t win. Such is life.


65 posted on 08/30/2011 10:55:06 AM PDT by Force of Truth (Intelligence and virtue are preferable in a candidate, but I'd much rather he or she be chinchy.)
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To: Force of Truth

The election has barely begun and you’re already calling people spoiled sports and other such names...who do not get on the bandwagon of voting “against” Obama. I will not choose my candidate that way.

I am voting for the one who I believe will both be good for our country and is conservative. Not all have declared.....until the full body is present it’s ridiculous to jump on people.


66 posted on 08/30/2011 11:02:23 AM PDT by caww
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To: Steel Wolf

So we agree to disagree.

They have no reason to “lay a glove on each other”. That’s why they haven’t.

They move in different orbs. Romney will either win or lose based on people’s votes that are not gettable votes for Michele, and vice versa.

The thought that each needs the other’s help to knock someone else down that they are in competition with, is in my unalterable view, nothing more than a mirage. It isn’t real, even if it looks real.

Michele lacks the political clout to help Romney even if she wanted to. Romney lacks the political clout to help Michele. Only a very, very strong, overpowering candidate has the clout to pick a huge risk for VP and get away with it. Romney isn’t. As popular as Michele is in some circles, she is not strong in being perceived as either a President or a Vice President.

Both of these people’s weakness was shown up when Rick Perry entered the race.

Now, Rick Perry blows away the competition. Romney suffers, Bachmann suffers, even Palin suffers if she gets in at this late date after Perry.

I believed in the truth of their weakness before Perry got in. The results of his entry only confirmed what I believed.

Neither one of them is in a position to play political games using one another and get anywhere with it. If they are toying with it, rather than realizing they stand or fall on their own, against frontrunner Perry, I would be very surprised.

But if toying, they will realize their folly soon enough.


67 posted on 08/30/2011 11:05:47 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: caww

You really need the attention. I’m assuming that you won’t vote if your guy doesn’t win the primary? Am I wrong? If so, my apologies.


68 posted on 08/30/2011 11:20:09 AM PDT by Force of Truth (Intelligence and virtue are preferable in a candidate, but I'd much rather he or she be chinchy.)
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To: txrangerette
The thought that each needs the other’s help to knock someone else down that they are in competition with, is in my unalterable view, nothing more than a mirage. It isn’t real, even if it looks real.

It isn't, but some people need intrigue, they need DRAMA MAMA! to stay interested. It's called not having a brain.

69 posted on 08/30/2011 11:23:45 AM PDT by Force of Truth (Intelligence and virtue are preferable in a candidate, but I'd much rather he or she be chinchy.)
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To: Force of Truth

I will always vote...men died for that right we have to do so. This crap that people won’t vote if their guy doesn’t get the primary election is nonsense.

Apology accepted.


70 posted on 08/30/2011 11:32:28 AM PDT by caww
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To: txrangerette
Now, Rick Perry blows away the competition. Romney suffers, Bachmann suffers, even Palin suffers if she gets in at this late date after Perry.

At this point, Palin does suffer a bit of fund raising from getting in late, but she is still fund-raising in a sense through her PAC. She has a huge advantage that few people are taking notice of in the fact that she is already vetted and has high positives and high negatives that can't get any worse. I do think she can improve on the negatives with MOMENTUM BABY! That's right people often have very negative opinions of candidates UNTIL that candidate demonstrates the ability to WIN. Palin has a bird's eye view of what is going on, and I think she can use this to her advantage strategy-wise ESPECIALLY if she swoops in at the last minute.

71 posted on 08/30/2011 11:34:39 AM PDT by Force of Truth (Intelligence and virtue are preferable in a candidate, but I'd much rather he or she be chinchy.)
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To: Force of Truth

Deep, dark conspiracies, yeah, that keeps it “interesting”.

When what it looks like on the surface is what’s really happening.

Neither has what it takes to carry the other’s water, which was true from the beginning, but was demonstrated to be true once Perry got in.


72 posted on 08/30/2011 11:35:56 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Force of Truth

I think she suffers too much from Perry’s entry.

Too much.

More so than you see her suffering from it.

But that’s ok...


73 posted on 08/30/2011 11:39:23 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: caww

As long as you don’t vote for Donald Trump 3rd-party we can still be friends.


74 posted on 08/30/2011 11:43:17 AM PDT by Force of Truth (Intelligence and virtue are preferable in a candidate, but I'd much rather he or she be chinchy.)
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To: txrangerette

“More so than you see her suffering from it.

But that’s ok...”

That could be, but there is still a lot of time and though his flamboyance has pole-vaulted him to the top, Perry has some glaring warts. The press from both sides will picking at those, and they are more substantive than Palin’s so-called flaws. Only time will tell.


75 posted on 08/30/2011 11:56:47 AM PDT by Force of Truth (Intelligence and virtue are preferable in a candidate, but I'd much rather he or she be chinchy.)
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To: Force of Truth

Trump is a mouthpiece that works to stir the waters...and he gets the press for doing so. He’s fun to watch...but not as President he’d be pretty bad.....However I like his outlook concerning China...and his business dealings internationally are interesting to follow.

Nope...Not for Trump...


76 posted on 08/30/2011 12:10:31 PM PDT by caww
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To: Force of Truth

Perry’s greatest problem is he does not see the Islamic threat for what it is. His understanding of Islam is very much lacking OR He knows fully well and has decided to carry them into our country as he has done in TExas regardless of how this places our national security in dire straits.

I believe he knows...but has chosen to push the “soft side” of Islam their agenda permotes in order to decieve politicians and the overall general public....for the sake of the dollar, as Perry is a money man. It’s all about the money for him....and the glory money nrings with it.

His life evidences such...he’s made his wealth while being a politician...not before.

Perry will paly in whatever park brings in the money.....I suspect if he’d been in NYC after 9/11 when the ME leader presented his check....Perry would have accepted it and helped them build a Mosque with it. Just as he has done in Texas.

Texas will be paying a huge price down the road here...already they have an Islamic Court there which Muslims can negotiate from....a very fine line he’s treading and the beginnings of what will indeed come.

So I will not vote for someone who does not understand the Islamic threat...nor how it operates within our country. Perry doesn’t.


77 posted on 08/30/2011 12:18:58 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
for the sake of the dollar, as Perry is a money man

This is pretty much my impression of Perry at this point, but shhh, having an objective opinion about Perry around here gets you labeled as a spammer.

Anyone in who is an advocate of open borders and supports legislation such as the DREAM act is a total dangerous lunatic. Texas is rife with sharia law at the moment.

Putting Romney's faults aside for the moment, you can tell he is very strong on immigration and Islam. I've read through a good portion of his book No Apology and though it's a plodding boring read, I've found some interesting statements.

Page 65: ....fundamental differences between our respective worldviews are both striking and numerous. For example, while Western nations take care to separate church from state, for the Islamists, religion and government are to be one. The founding fathers of Islam proclaimed that "Islam is a religion and a state." Rather than limiting itself to prescribing only spiritual laws, fundamentalist Islam seeks to dominate and control every aspect of society, from economic policies to social interactions, and from individual daily habits to the functioning of government. Thus, Islamists would replace secular systems of justice with sharia. From the viewpoint of the Islamist, the government of an Islamic nation that is not sufficiently fundamentalist is not just wrong, it is evil...

Page 66: To the Islamist, democracy is a form of blasphemy; in democracies, immutable law proscribed by God may be changed by man. In the eyes of the Islamic fundamentalists, America as the "author of liberty" and champion of democracy" is the most immoral of nations.

Romney wrote a great deal on the subject of Islam. Say what you want about Romney, he's very antithetical to Islam. You read that right, he is anit-Islam. I think this is because of his strong Morman religious convictions. There are many example of this ideology in his book. While I don't support Romney's every waking word, I'm with him on this issue.

78 posted on 08/30/2011 12:50:47 PM PDT by Force of Truth (Intelligence and virtue are preferable in a candidate, but I'd much rather he or she be chinchy.)
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To: caww
Why aren’t people voting for conservatives in the primary?

Maybe they are and view Perry as conservative. That is what every poll is showing.

79 posted on 08/30/2011 12:59:18 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: markomalley
But with poll after poll showing Romney slipping into Perry’s wake...
Romney was always just a place-holder. Didn't he know that?
80 posted on 08/30/2011 5:24:22 PM PDT by samtheman (Perry for President)
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To: shield

“Bachmann came against a wimp. Perry, on the other hand, is no wimp...he can dish it back harder than Michelle ever thought of. Perry would rather not but if that is what it takes...Look out, Michelle.”

Aww c’mon, Bachmann only retaliates when rocks are thrown at her. She doesn’t start it - she finishes it.

If Perry criticized Bachmann, she could come back with: “How come YOU, Gov. Perry, criticized the AZ immigration policy?”

Now there are a like of things I like about Perry, but there are also too many things to keep him off my short list.


81 posted on 08/30/2011 5:35:41 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Perry is not exactly a field mouse like Pawlenty. And, for her part, Bachmann may have claws, but she also has areas of exposed underbelly, and Perry has claws too.
You're right about the comparison to Pawlenty being beyond ludicrous.

As for Bachmann, I sincerely hope that Perry just keeps his cool and lets her rant, maybe agree with some of what she says, gently disagree with her more outrageous attacks on him, and treat her more or less like a deranged wife at a divorce proceedings.

The fact is, he can GOVERN; she can only squawk. The best way for him to nail down that difference is to keep his cool.

Keep your cool, Rick. Keep your cool.

And then, of course, when Palin endorses Perry, all the Bachmann squawking in the world isn't going to amount to a tit on a titmouse. As long as Perry keeps his cool.

82 posted on 08/30/2011 5:40:19 PM PDT by samtheman (Perry for President)
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To: Nervous Tick
Perry is not exactly a field mouse like Pawlenty. And, for her part, Bachmann may have claws, but she also has areas of exposed underbelly, and Perry has claws too.
You're right about the comparison to Pawlenty being beyond ludicrous.

As for Bachmann, I sincerely hope that Perry just keeps his cool and lets her rant, maybe agree with some of what she says, gently disagree with her more outrageous attacks on him, and treat her more or less like a deranged wife at a divorce proceedings.

The fact is, he can GOVERN; she can only squawk. The best way for him to nail down that difference is to keep his cool.

Keep your cool, Rick. Keep your cool.

And then, of course, when Palin endorses Perry, all the Bachmann squawking in the world isn't going to amount to a tit on a titmouse. As long as Perry keeps his cool.

83 posted on 08/30/2011 5:40:45 PM PDT by samtheman (Perry for President)
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To: Kazan; caww

Kazan, don’t worry about caww. He’s not going to be convinced, and that’s not important.

The thing I like about Perry is that he is a conservative with broad appeal. Broad never means total. So he loses caww. Too bad, but oh well. But he gains many more. Many more than Bachmann or any of the others could ever hope to gain.

We need a Sherman’s March To The Sea against the Obama Regime.

Perry and only Perry can lead that. And he doesn’t need caww’s help, though I wonder, once Palin signs on maybe caww will reconsider.


84 posted on 08/30/2011 5:50:16 PM PDT by samtheman (Perry for President)
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To: Sun

I guess you don’t understand the basic dynamics of these things. The front runner has no reason to EVER attack the 2nd tier players.

If there is a dust-up between Bachmann and Perry, Bachmann will HAVE to start it. What would Perry have to gain by starting it?

The front runner just has to be presidential-looking and attack Barack. And that’s what Perry will do.


85 posted on 08/30/2011 5:52:47 PM PDT by samtheman (Perry for President)
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To: samtheman

Good post. It bears repeating.

...oh wait, you already did. :-)


86 posted on 08/30/2011 5:56:36 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: SERKIT
Anyone who flies, or has flown, military fighter aircraft makes more critical decisions in 30 seconds than Obama (or Romney) makes in a career. Other than the addled McCain, I am thinking of GHWB, GWB, Perry.
I think McCain suffered brain-damage in captivity. Seriously.
87 posted on 08/30/2011 5:57:04 PM PDT by samtheman (Perry for President)
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To: Nervous Tick

I hate when that happens!


88 posted on 08/30/2011 6:03:09 PM PDT by samtheman (Perry for President)
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To: samtheman

So are you saying that when Perry is no longer the front runner, he will attack Bachmann?


89 posted on 08/30/2011 7:20:23 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: samtheman; Kazan

You know there was another ‘crowd’ who cheered for Bar-ra-bass as well ...when there was another who stood among them for what was true and right. The crowd yelled “crucify him, destroy him....they always do.

The “crowd” cried out for Obama as well....and just like Bar-ra-bus...they got what they asked for. “Crowds” always do.


90 posted on 08/30/2011 8:13:25 PM PDT by caww
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To: samtheman; Kazan
Anyone who aligns him/herself with Islam in order to advance their political career as Perry has done, does not have America's best interest in their heart.........Muslims never ever migrate to the West to assimilate and integrate but instead only to eventually subjugate and dominate and to make Islam supreme via mass demographic conquest.

There are plenty of Conservative candidates to choose from who would never, ever, do that. It is a fatal flaw and freedom fighters that ignore that flaw betray themselves, and the cause of freedom.

The next president has to be a candidate that is truly aware of the threat of Islam....Rick Perry has been in the race for only a short while and he's already doing Obama level Internet scrubbings and attempts to hide his associations.

You can sell Perry all you want but he is clearly allowing the Islamic push, and enabling and participating with it in his state........ again....Muslims never ever migrate to the West to assimilate and integrate but instead only to eventually subjugate and dominate and to make Islam supreme via mass demographic conquest. People had better wake up to that truth.

91 posted on 08/30/2011 9:26:45 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww; Kazan

So now Bachmann is Jesus? I wonder what her husband thinks about that?


92 posted on 08/31/2011 2:04:31 AM PDT by samtheman (Perry for President)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

not in the race


93 posted on 08/31/2011 5:36:00 AM PDT by safetysign
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To: gov_bean_ counter

not in the race


94 posted on 08/31/2011 5:36:06 AM PDT by safetysign
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To: samtheman

And the “crowd” continues.....


95 posted on 08/31/2011 7:33:09 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Presidential elections are crowded activities. If you can’t stand the crowds, turn your tv and computer off and take a hike in the woods. Go sh*t with the bears. No crowds there. (Although one bear can feel like a crowd if you’re too close, so sh*t carefully.)


96 posted on 08/31/2011 7:43:09 AM PDT by samtheman (Perry/Cain'12; Sec Energy Palin)
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To: samtheman
Typically Freepers have reasoned and informative responses....when they have a leg to stand on....otherwise they resort to off handed remarks to buffer their otherwise weak position.....their emotions get unhinged. A 'hot' kitchen in elections goes hand in hand....food fights on the otherhand are childrens games.
97 posted on 08/31/2011 8:10:27 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

And typically you go on and on about “crowds” which somehow proves (to you) the rightness of your argument (unstated) and then when someone (me) scoffs at your non-argument you get all huffy and start throwing around the nasty (to you) appellation “children”.

Fine. Suffer the little children. Especially when they run in crowds.

(Did I cover all your hot-button bases?)


98 posted on 08/31/2011 8:16:09 AM PDT by samtheman (Perry/Cain'12; Sec Energy Palin)
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To: Force of Truth
Romneys correct in his statements on Islam...seems he identifies it for what it is....but will he stand against it...no... I think not since his church is chumming up with them....just as others who are following the Islamic lead to falsely appear willing to integrate....but will never assimulate. There agenda has and will always be to convert others to Islam behind their actions of service...it's in their books on how to convert and submit America.

Additionally...Jihad is a misunderstood word..... Most jihad in America is done with money and persuasion, not violence. ....It is jihad that fills Washington DC with money to buy influence...... It is jihad that causes our textbooks in our schools to never mention anything negative about Islam.....It is Jihad to do community services and they focus on battered people, homeless, underprivledged, the poor, and any who have been down on their luck because these are the most vulnerable to be open to Islamic teaching.

Their other "targets" are teachers....more than students in our educational system. Here's a Quote from their manuels to convert Americans.

"In America's Educational Institutions the teacher shall be the top target....they exert a lot of influence over their students. If they are convinced about Islam as a way of life they can motivate their students to that affect in great numbers......Teachers will therefore be the "special" targets of the Islamic Movement. ...contacts with teachers will always have a preferance over others".

That is why in Texas they stipulated to teach the teachers about Islam so they in turn would teach the students. It's hand in glove with their movement to conquer America.

Islam has two views of Christians (duality again). The first view is that Christianity and Islam are brother religions. The second view is that Christians must change their religion to meet the demands of Islam...... Modern Christians want to believe that there is a bridge between Islam and Christianity..... But the history of Islam shows that 'Islam first deceives and then annihilates Christianity' or any other form of religion in it's wake.. For 1400 years Islam has destroyed Christian lands.

99 posted on 08/31/2011 8:37:44 AM PDT by caww
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To: samtheman

Again.....Typically Freepers have reasoned and informative responses....when they have a leg to stand on....otherwise they resort to off handed remarks to buffer their otherwise weak position.....their emotions get unhinged. A ‘hot’ kitchen in elections goes hand in hand....food fights on the otherhand are childrens games.


100 posted on 08/31/2011 8:40:53 AM PDT by caww
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