Now, wagglebee said this:
"So, you are now trying to claim that Orthodox Judaism supports your pro-abortion agenda?"
I never claimed this. I claimed that Orthodox Judaism endorses LIMITED circumstances in which abortion is acceptable. All Orthodox authorities I've read agree that it is acceptable to save the mother's life. Many Orthodox authorities agree that it is acceptable if the fetus is the product of rape, because carrying it to term could cause the mother severe emotional trauma.
If you actually bothered to read my posts where I quoted the Orthodox rabbi then you would understand that. He makes it quite clear that Orthodox Judaism places the fetus in high esteem, and that it may only be aborted in limited circumstances. One of those circumstances is to save the mother's life, and another is if the child is the product of rape.
HERE, again are the relevant quotes. Don't miss them this time, pretty please?
""In Jewish law, a baby attains becomes a full-fledged human being when the head emerges from the womb. Before then, the fetus is considered a partial life.
So is it permitted to destroy this partial life?
Generally, no. This is illustrated by a case in the Talmud whereby a building collapsed on Shabbat. The rescue crew does not know if anyone is trapped under the rubble or not. And even if someone is trapped, they may already be dead. Despite these doubts, we push aside the restrictions of Shabbat in order to dig out the rubble - on the chance that it may result in the prolonging of human life. Why? Because every part of human life - even a doubtful, partial human life - has infinite value.
This applies to a fetus as well.
What about danger to emotional health? There are certain circumstances where this, too, may be grounds for abortion. For example, if the mother became pregnant through rape, and the thought of bearing this child will cause her a nervous breakdown or severe emotional trauma."
If George W. Bush's position on this makes him a RINO, then yes, you can call me a RINO. Do you think he is a RINO? Be honest now. You're spending all your time bashing me, yet he's even more liberal on this issue than I am. I only support two abortion exceptions. He supports three.
Let me also note again, to anyone viewing, that the only reason I am even in this thread is because little jeremiah pinged me to it. You can't accuse me of TROLLING this thread if I only posted in it after being INVITED. YOU FAIL.
Your snarky condescending attitude is not needed.
There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension, although there is apparently with yours.
My point was that you never answered wagglebee’s question. And now here you are addressing yet another argument of your own construct.
Do try to focus and answer what is asked of you. Taking it off topic and shifting the attention to others or other topics smacks of dishonest debate techniques and covering your butt because you got pinned down and exposed.
Just how does that justify murder? And now you propose adding to that trauma with the murder of her own child?
Did you ever hear of adoption?
The answer to the emotional trauma or a rape is forgiveness. It's not the baby's fault the rape happened and you way underestimate the ability of a mother to love her child and recognize its innocence in the matter.
The answer for the trauma of rape is justice being done to the rapist, not murdering the innocent baby.