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Nanny State? Calif. May Force Parents To Pay Babysitters Workers’ Comp, OT
CBS Los Angeles ^ | August 31, 2011

Posted on 09/02/2011 6:04:14 AM PDT by artichokegrower

LOS ANGELES (CBS) — The next time you plan a movie night without the kids, you may have to provide more than just pizza for your babysitter.

Democratic lawmakers in Sacramento are fast-tracking a bill that would require workers’ compensation benefits, meal breaks and paid vacation time for all “domestic employees”, including nannies, housekeepers and even babysitters.

Assembly Bill 889, authored by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco), has already cleared the Assembly and is expected to receive overwhelming support from Senate Democrats, who control both houses of the California legislature.

Under AB 889, parents legally become household “employers” and are obligated to pay at least minimum wage to any sitter over the age of 18 (family members are exempt).

In addition, the bill would require parents to provide substitute caregivers every two hours to cover rest and meal breaks, pay for any overtime worked, and provide a line-item pay stub showing gross and net wages earned, total hours worked, deductions and both employer and employee Social Security numbers.

(Excerpt) Read more at losangeles.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab889; ammiano; babysitters; housekeepers; nannies; parenting; parents; regulation; tomammiano; workerscomp; workmanscomp; workscomp
Kinda unfair in that Tom Ammiano will never need a babysitter.
1 posted on 09/02/2011 6:04:16 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

From San Francisco.
Can I guess why ?


2 posted on 09/02/2011 6:06:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I want a Triple A president for our Triple A country)
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To: artichokegrower

Senate Democrats control both houses? No wonder California is so messed up.


3 posted on 09/02/2011 6:06:39 AM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: artichokegrower

This means that no one is going to hire an adult to watch the kids, just older kids probably.


4 posted on 09/02/2011 6:08:25 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: artichokegrower

Which Union are the babysitters joining? Another CALPERS retirement plan, too?


5 posted on 09/02/2011 6:09:20 AM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: artichokegrower

Think of the paperwork involved in this for the families


6 posted on 09/02/2011 6:09:28 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: artichokegrower
What a great idea! This is what we need: More in-your-face gov’t intervention when you have a 9.2 percent unemployment rate...and this for a tiny, tiny market segment. It's got to cost more to police this than it could ever hope to collect. More gov’t stupidity.
7 posted on 09/02/2011 6:15:54 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are dumber than soup.)
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To: traditional1

First thing we did after the election in Michigan was to kill that union.


8 posted on 09/02/2011 6:16:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: artichokegrower
Democratic lawmakers in Sacramento are fast-tracking a bill that would require workers’ compensation benefits, meal breaks and paid vacation time for all “domestic employees”, including nannies, housekeepers and even babysitters.

Fire them. If people were to sit down and add up the total cost associated with mommy working, they'd easily find out mommy is COSTING the family when she works. They'd actually SAVE money if she quit and worked only one job - the job of being a mother. Quiting would be a win-win for both her and her family.
In this economy, there's no reason why people can't mow their own lawns or hire high school kids to do it. Those kids would love a little extra cash right now.

(Starve the Beast. We can survive without big governments money, but big government can't survive without ours! Join Operation Thrift.)

9 posted on 09/02/2011 6:16:49 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: artichokegrower

I guess the state of Nannyfornia wants to regulate business normally conducted by a handshake.

This only encourages black markets, under-the-table dealings and a general disregard for government.


10 posted on 09/02/2011 6:17:23 AM PDT by kidd (S&P gives Obama an 'AA+'...Obama's only published grade)
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To: artichokegrower

Will this apply to the kid if the kid watches himself?


11 posted on 09/02/2011 6:19:18 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: traditional1
Which Union are the babysitters joining?

I think the Teamsters Union. I read a thread once where a sitter got a letter in the mail saying she had to pay them union dues.
She freaked. She never agreed to join a union, but somehow it was forced on her.

12 posted on 09/02/2011 6:20:15 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: artichokegrower
Lex Luthor: Bye bye California. Hello new west coast. My west coast...... Costa Del Lex. Luthorville. Marina del Lex. Otisburg - “Otisburg”?


13 posted on 09/02/2011 6:20:31 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Ingtar

and with the major gerrymandering, we got redisricted when Mr Rogan came out against Mr. Clinton, the state conservatives have been silenced.


14 posted on 09/02/2011 6:26:24 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: Ingtar

From the bill:

(e) The vast majority of domestic workers are women of color and
immigrants and are particularly vulnerable to unlawful employment
practices and abuses.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/asm/ab_0851-0900/ab_889_bill_20110712_amended_sen_v94.html


15 posted on 09/02/2011 6:28:08 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: econjack
It's got to cost more to police this than it could ever hope to collect.

Which is their goal. Create a new dept. Hire a bunch of lackeys. Lather, rinse, repeat.

16 posted on 09/02/2011 6:28:49 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: GeronL

I think this is great

Time for the Hollywoodistas to pay Conchita Rosita Evita Margarita a fair union-scale wage with coffee breaks and a pension


17 posted on 09/02/2011 6:30:34 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: artichokegrower
I've never understood how people who fight for high union wages and benefits for themselves can be so cheap when it comes to paying the people who do work for them such as handymen, babysitters, cleaning ladies, house painters, lawn care guys...They're as "miserly" as their "corporate fat-cat" employers. They're usually the most vociferous when it comes to their outrage at what they're being charged when they get a quote, too.

My sister-in-law one time got a quote on having her kitchen wallpapered. It's a job that's charged by the roll. Well, this cheapskate put up all the easy, straight drop sections herself. When the guy came, she expected him to put up all the hard cuts, corners, windows, doorways at the same rate he originally quoted. She actually measured the places she skipped over, which was stupid because she could have easily messed up the job. She wasn't the least bit embarrassed or kind of regretful. She was proud of herself.

The liberal mindset is selfish.

18 posted on 09/02/2011 6:31:03 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: artichokegrower
In addition, the bill would require parents to provide substitute caregivers every two hours to cover rest and meal breaks,

In other words, parents have to hire another employee to cover the first employee while he/she is on break. That means the costs will skyrocket.
If you and your spouse work, it would be wise to go over your budget. It would be cheaper if only one of you worked. (Remember to pay attention to your "new" net income when you do it, because this would also put you in a lower tax bracket)

19 posted on 09/02/2011 6:33:25 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: artichokegrower

First they went after lemonade stands, now they are going after babysitters. Hey America! How’s that nanny state working out for ya?!


20 posted on 09/02/2011 6:35:35 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Coming November 2012 - Bedtime For Obozo.)
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To: concerned about politics

They did that in Michigan (A Granholm deal) but we killed it. They didn’t want to be unionized but were forced into it.

There was apparently a vote but the child care workers were unaware of the vote and the union voted without them and counted the votes without them.

Actually several states have had the same sort of thing happen. In fact home health care workers in Michigan are still under the control of a union they didn’t want but we’re working on it.


21 posted on 09/02/2011 6:35:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: concerned about politics

The same state that requires fast food workers to pay the state for a license?


22 posted on 09/02/2011 6:40:39 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: cripplecreek
There was apparently a vote but the child care workers were unaware of the vote and the union voted without them and counted the votes without them.

Which is why unions are quickly becoming the most despised organizations in America. They thug people into paying union dues against their will. They're nothing but low life extortionists.

23 posted on 09/02/2011 6:40:39 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: traditional1

been unemployed for 15 months now guess I’ll join the union get myself a pension and start babysitting.


24 posted on 09/02/2011 6:46:08 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: concerned about politics

What the union did was send out letters which were tossed into the trash as junk mail. They weren’t union members or interested in union business so they tossed the letters.

It was quickly apparent that the union couldn’t represent them if the wanted to. After all, they are basically contractors so they’re both management and labor. The union simply planned to milk them for dues and shove them aside.

The dues they would have collected came out to around $20 million per year. Now the victims are forced to sue to get their money back. Fortunately the whole thing didn’t even last a year.


25 posted on 09/02/2011 6:49:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: cripplecreek
The dues they would have collected came out to around $20 million per year.

That's what unions do. They milk democrat campaign money from the workers, and therefore the businesses, until the businesses collapse. Then, the union moves on to it's next victim.
They've become nothing but a thuggery arm for the DNC.
People are catching on to the scam, but for millions it's too late. Their jobs are gone, and they have nowhere else to go.

26 posted on 09/02/2011 7:10:09 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: econjack

California unemployment is 12% or so. Not the national average of 9.1%.

I thank god every day that I had the good judgment to leave the state of California last Summer.


27 posted on 09/02/2011 7:22:38 AM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: artichokegrower

This workers comp for baby sitters is a priority of the SEIU. They want to organize babysitters into a union and then get them into community organizing. Makes me want to puke.


28 posted on 09/02/2011 7:24:09 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: artichokegrower

This is going to backfire in ways I’m going to enjoy. Most of the people this will affect will be upper-middle-class types who like to hire illegals to watch their kids for pennies. Once those illegals are no longer so cheap, the demand for them will fall... see where I’m going?


29 posted on 09/02/2011 7:36:41 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: silverleaf
I think this is great Time for the Hollywoodistas to pay Conchita Rosita Evita Margarita a fair union-scale wage with coffee breaks and a pension

Exactly. The loudest liberals are often the most horrible tightwad slave-masters.

30 posted on 09/02/2011 7:41:36 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: artichokegrower

“connected” daycare centers looking to drive out the competition.


31 posted on 09/02/2011 8:02:03 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: NonValueAdded

Also helps those professional baby-sitting services.Possible unintended consequences include more stay at home moms, licensing requirements, training classes, background checks and other hoops to jump through before you can be a babysitter.In the beginning these things appear to be good for the worker. In the end, not so much. Some years ago there was a push in California to require special training and licensing to sell antiques.Usually there is someone pushing this sort of legislation who is all set with their “training” or “school” which one must attend in order to get the special “license”.


32 posted on 09/02/2011 8:34:39 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (I didn't say it was your fault. I said I am going to BLAME you.)
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To: artichokegrower

If you have to go through all this just to get a babysitter, stay home. I’m sure restaurants and theaters will get along just fine without the business and no one will lose their job.


33 posted on 09/02/2011 8:56:55 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: kidd
"I guess the state of Nannyfornia wants to regulate business normally conducted by a handshake. This only encourages black markets, under-the-table dealings and a general disregard for government."

Yes! But it gives them much more potential CONTROL over you and your life.

34 posted on 09/02/2011 9:34:26 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: artichokegrower
Remind the last person who leaves CA to turn the lights off.

5.56mm

35 posted on 09/02/2011 9:36:35 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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