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British team set to field test gigantic balloon and water hose geo-engineering experiment
http://www.physorg.com ^ | September 2, 2011 | by Bob Yirka

Posted on 09/02/2011 7:43:41 AM PDT by Red Badger

In what to some might seem almost ludicrous, (think Dr. Stranglove,) a British team of geo-engineers are set to launch a giant balloon a half mile into the sky pulling with it a water hose that will then spray water pumped from the ground, into the air. But this is only the beginning; the idea is to see if such a system is feasible. The real goal is to see if it might be possible to send such a giant balloon much higher, say twice as high as airplanes fly, so as to release aerosols into the atmosphere to mimic the impact volcanoes have when they erupt. That is to cause a planetary cooling effect, to offset the warming effect of all the carbon emissions still being pumped full time into air. And that’s not all, the project dubbed Stratospheric Particle Injection for Climate Engineering (SPICE), is being backed by the British government, via the Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council.

Most would agree that we do have a problem on our hands, the Earth is slowly growing warmer, threatening water and food supplies, if not eventually our very existence. Many question however, the wisdom of pumping aerosols into the atmosphere to reflect some of the sun’s heat back into space, rather than simply figuring out a way to stop adding more carbon emissions.

The initial test of the plan is slated to be carried out next month in an undisclosed location. There the team will send up a smaller version of the eventual behemoth, somewhere around two thirds of a mile (about a kilometer) high. In this test, nothing but water will be squirted into the air, though some suggest they might also try something called low-level cloud whitening, which is where sea salt would be pumped up and then dispersed into the air to increase the reflectivity of clouds.

If successful, the team would then set to work in constructing the actual product, a balloon that some say would have to be as big as Wembley stadium and would weigh as much as several double-decker busses (this is a British project after all). Then, the balloon would be sent aloft to a height of twelve miles or so (20 kilometers) carrying with it something akin to a very long garden hose. Once up, a mixture of sulphates and/or aerosols would be pumped up the hose and then into the air, which would then, theoretically start reflecting heat back out into space; saving us all in the process.

If the mechanics of the project do eventually work as planned, there will likely be much debate about actually carrying out its mission, as some will undoubtedly be very much against carrying out a mission where no one really knows what might happen.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
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These people are nuts................

1 posted on 09/02/2011 7:43:44 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: steelyourfaith; SunkenCiv

Geo-engineering to save us from AGW ping...................


2 posted on 09/02/2011 7:44:45 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Red Badger

What are they spraying, bong water?


3 posted on 09/02/2011 7:46:30 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Red Badger

Just watch, this will be the very thing that ends up destroying the earth!
Betcha.


4 posted on 09/02/2011 7:46:31 AM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Sanitized for your protection)
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To: Red Badger

Just wait until George Noory gets hold of this story.


5 posted on 09/02/2011 7:47:14 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Red Badger

Awwh man this bites.

You balloon-hosing RETARDS! Stop embarrassing us Brits on Free Republic!

Anyway: these fools should just re-use the gigantic balloons the people in the Medieval Warm Period used to cool the planet.

Or the equally massive balloons used by the Romans.

Or the one used by the Minoans. Why reinvent the wheel?


6 posted on 09/02/2011 7:49:16 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: Red Badger

They should just tether the water hose to Al Gore...

...he’s a giant hot-air balloon.


7 posted on 09/02/2011 7:49:51 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Red Badger

What DUMBASSES!

Even if GW was a real threat, this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what should be done, as the primary “greenhouse gas” in our atmosphere is WATER VAPOR!


8 posted on 09/02/2011 7:50:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ozark hilljilly

The destruction of the earth is a Reserved Privilege,

and will be done quickly, by fire.


9 posted on 09/02/2011 7:51:14 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Good catch! This could actually be a useful technology - in ten years time when we’re all freezing.


10 posted on 09/02/2011 7:51:53 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: Red Badger

Going to take a LOT of power to lift a column of water 1 km high. And you cant use light materials either due to the pressure. At 1 mile, the pressure is 2,400 psi.

I’m thinking you would be better to have two lines to the ballon and a crawler system where a “pod” lifts 1 gallon crawling up to the ballon and deposits it’s gallon into a small tank and then crawls down the other line back to the ship. The line can supply the support and the power. Mulitple crawlers can keep a supply of water up at the ballon.


11 posted on 09/02/2011 7:53:16 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: agere_contra

It wouldn’t be a bad idea to induce rainfall,
and it’s not a bad idea to desalinate sea water.

But the article has the usual doom about life on earth being totally destroyed by man-made global warming, etc.


12 posted on 09/02/2011 7:54:00 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Oh, granted.


13 posted on 09/02/2011 7:56:31 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: Red Badger

A parody, right ? Please, God .... tell me it’s a parody.


14 posted on 09/02/2011 7:57:45 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Red Badger

Gee, what could possibly go wrong?


15 posted on 09/02/2011 8:00:11 AM PDT by kidd (S&P gives Obama an 'AA+'...Obama's only published grade)
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To: taxcontrol

How do you keep the water from freezing on the way up?????..
Please don’t say “antifreeze”


16 posted on 09/02/2011 8:03:54 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Red Badger

Just give everyone on an airplane a bottle of water and then open the windows and pour the water out.


17 posted on 09/02/2011 8:05:16 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Red Badger
1). There is so much pressure at the bottom of the pipe it will burst...

2.) When the water spray exits from the top it will freeze up the nozzle...

3). In any case the rate of flow through such a long water pipe is misiscule

4). Even if none of the above....the ambient temperature is so low the water will freeze

18 posted on 09/02/2011 8:07:06 AM PDT by spokeshave (Obamas approval ratings are so low, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the USA.)
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To: Red Badger

19 posted on 09/02/2011 8:07:33 AM PDT by frithguild (We admitted we were powerless over government - that out lives had become unmanageable)
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To: Red Badger

....>Most would agree that we do have a problem on our hands, the Earth is slowly growing warmer<.....

Most WHAT would agree? The problem we have is the loony left trying to tax every breath we take.

These closet intellectuals know as much about physics as Odumbass does about the Auto industry.

As mentioned above, the pumping pressures and requisite pipe mass makes this unworkable. Not to mention it will actually increase the atmosphere’s greenhouse effect if they somehow inject enough water vapor.


20 posted on 09/02/2011 8:08:45 AM PDT by wrench
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To: MrB

LOL! They don’t even understand the climate well enough to even understand how to affect it or where the planet’s temp should be set at in the first place.


21 posted on 09/02/2011 8:09:23 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Robe

Well up to 1 mile you are ok. Up to the heights they are talking, they plan to switch to aerosols.


22 posted on 09/02/2011 8:11:54 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Red Badger
I think they should call it the Troposphere Aerosol Research Dirigible
23 posted on 09/02/2011 8:15:52 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: Red Badger

I don’t believe any pump exists that can do this.


24 posted on 09/02/2011 8:16:34 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Army Air Corps
What are they spraying, bong water?

Quip of the day ;-)

25 posted on 09/02/2011 8:18:09 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Red Badger

26 posted on 09/02/2011 8:19:36 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Red Badger

I would like for them to take their little balloon and drop some water over Texas. My land, in particular.


27 posted on 09/02/2011 8:20:33 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Red Badger

Sounds like a load of tosh to me, but nonetheless I prefer potential methods of climate change ‘control’ that involve balloons and hosepipes rather than ones that include huge fuel taxes and me having to sell my V8’s! :)


28 posted on 09/02/2011 8:24:50 AM PDT by Caulkhead
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To: MrB
The destruction of the earth is a Reserved Privilege, and will be done quickly, by fire.

Brilliant perspective, and 100% correct.

29 posted on 09/02/2011 8:29:00 AM PDT by patriotUSA (Thank you Jesus.)
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To: agere_contra
I think they should call it the Recooling the Earth Troposphere Aerosol Research Dirigible

Just sayin'...

30 posted on 09/02/2011 8:43:47 AM PDT by null and void (Day 952 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: Red Badger

It’s like the glue and paper the teacher gave the dumb kids.

Not useful, but it keeps them occupied.

Otherwise, they’re disruptive.


31 posted on 09/02/2011 8:45:42 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: agere_contra
Dirigible

Good Point. Dirigibles did use water for ballast, and would dump ballast.

The pictures I've seen were during docking maneuvers, though.

32 posted on 09/02/2011 8:48:24 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Red Badger

A much better idea makes a lot more sense. A California airship company created plans to make a firefighting airship that would make a superb complement to the helicopters and fixed wing aircraft used today.

This is both because an airship can carry a much greater load of water, and it doesn’t have to drop it all at once, but can do the equivalent of a very heavy rainfall either directly on a fire or to create a wet barrier to a fire. It can also descend a fire hose, guided by wires, to drop its water offset from any heat column rising from the fire.

Unfortunately the company went out of business before they could build the prototype.


33 posted on 09/02/2011 9:01:36 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: blueunicorn6
Or give them lots of beer and let them pee out the window.

Call it a "party flight" and sell tickets.

34 posted on 09/02/2011 9:06:21 AM PDT by ken in texas (Can't Afford a Tagline... send money.)
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To: MrB

[ What DUMBASSES!

Even if GW was a real threat, this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what should be done, as the primary “greenhouse gas” in our atmosphere is WATER VAPOR! ]

Depending on the state of water in the air ( transparent vapour vs. opaque clouds ) it can be a greenhouse gas (vapour) or a reflector of suns rays back into space (clouds).

Anyways CO2 is not what is causing climate “change”, I think it is RR, that stands for “Roads and Rooftops”. The change of the local climates or “micro-climates” caused by the change of reflectivity of roofs and roads in urbanized areas create a “micro-climate” which has a far greater effect on weather systems.

Ever notice how in the winter the snow on the grass in urban areas melts a lot quicker than the snow in the nearby rural areas? This is the micro climate. Also funny is how a lot of “temprature stations” that were built 50+ years ago outside cities are now surrounded by roads, and houses? No wonder those temprature sensors have seen increases in the local tempratures.... The city expanded around them and brought the micro-climate with them.

To paraphrase James Carvile:
It is not the CO2, it is the Roads and Rooftops Stuipid!

Of course the urban city loving eco-tards don’t wanna admit that the cities they love to live in are a direct cause of their skewed data. They think that cities will be fine if everyone trades their SUV in for a bike, the roads and rooftops will still be there even if they are solar panels and bike trails.

CO2 is not as big of an issue we think it is.


35 posted on 09/02/2011 9:13:40 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

I’m going to pass on a major money saving tip, since you mentioned “rooftops”.

You can SIGNIFICANTLY cut your cooling bills in the summer by.... dun duhn duh!::::: watering your roof.

Use evaporative cooling to cool the top of your house, and your AC doesn’t have to remove that heat from your house.


36 posted on 09/02/2011 9:29:52 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Red Badger

This is ridiculous.

1. Massive pumps giving massive pressures.
2. Hoses that could withstand that pressure.
3. A ballon that could live the massive hoses to 35,000 feet or so.

No way to make this work.


37 posted on 09/02/2011 9:33:15 AM PDT by texmexis best
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To: Red Badger

And of course, the real killers:

1. The last three feet of hose would have to support 35,000 ft of high pressure hose plus the weight of the water. Big hose.
2. The sail area of the hose would be considerable and the balloon would not be stable.


38 posted on 09/02/2011 9:41:05 AM PDT by texmexis best
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To: Red Badger
I live in North Dakota.

I don't need some crop of overeducated bungholes half-way around the world making my winters longer or worse.

39 posted on 09/02/2011 9:50:31 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: faucetman

Easily. Positive displacement triplex oilfield pumps could put out that much pressure. But they are all busy pumping drilling mud on oil rigs (I hope!).


40 posted on 09/02/2011 9:54:10 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: taxcontrol

At 60,000 feet, as they propose, the pressure is 26,000 psi.

That’s about half the pressure of the chamber of a 50 BMG rifle at the peak firing pressure.


41 posted on 09/02/2011 10:04:22 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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To: faucetman

An ordinary carwash pump developes over 2,000 psi, enough for 3/4 mile or more.


42 posted on 09/02/2011 10:25:29 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle
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To: Red Badger
What a pack of a$$hats! Why not kit every comercial airline to pump out a couple hundred gaellons every fllight and pay a fee?

The ballons will be destroyed by weather and the theory of AGW is crap! It is a scam and a hoaxl to fleece the makers and pay the moochers.

43 posted on 09/02/2011 11:00:17 AM PDT by WMarshal (Where is the next Sam Adams?)
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To: Red Badger; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; FrPR; enough_idiocy; ...
Thanx for the ping rmy Air Corps Red Badger !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

44 posted on 09/02/2011 1:47:37 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Red Badger; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Rurudyne; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; xcamel; ...

Thanks Red Badger.
a giant balloon a half mile into the sky pulling with it a water hose that will then spray water pumped from the ground, into the air
That would have to be A) some freakin' strong hose, B) some big-assed balloon , and C) some powerful freakin' water pump.


45 posted on 09/02/2011 6:30:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I guess these Brits have never heard of crop dusters or flying tankers.......


46 posted on 09/02/2011 6:33:20 PM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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47 posted on 09/02/2011 7:44:58 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (It's the Tea Party's fault!)
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To: Red Badger; SunkenCiv
Hanson has to get into this, in conjunction with the EPA.

Build several urban based ground separation units in each major metro area, to collect ground level ozone, then pump & eject it into the upper stratospheric levels.

They can reduce ground level ozone pollution, without rewriting the rules; “replenish/repair” the (ozone was never there, it isn't missing) ozone hole; and blow tons of money, employing lots of moonbats.

Just before (say, at the 85-90% complete stage) EPA could pay Greenpeace & Sierra Club to sue them to shut it down due to some unforeseen “environmental damage” of some sort: a win-win-win-win-win for the lunatics!

48 posted on 09/03/2011 12:27:39 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: spokeshave

The ship will have a large coal-fired generating plant to power the pumps, the heat tapes on the pipe, and the nozzle heaters.

If they manage to balance the system correctly, it will cancel out the CO^2 created to keep it running.

They can think up their own solution to the pressure & flow rate problems.

Unfortunately, I can just hear them a DU ‘solving’ the pumping problems by invoking the surface-stratosphere pressure differentional to suck the water up the pipe like a straw; and by using LOTS of tiny pipes to act as capillaries. I make myself laugh just imagining them.


49 posted on 09/03/2011 12:43:39 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: Red Badger

The key phrase:

“is being backed by the British government”


50 posted on 09/03/2011 12:54:46 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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