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To: AT7Saluki

Good article.

Explains the situation perfectly.

For the idiots who think school and teachers are evil, why not go volunteer, get to know some of those educators and what they’re dealing with?

Those folks you see in public who can’t and won’t control their kids? Those kids running the streets dressed like thugs? They are all shuffled off to the classroom every morning.

How would you do, trying to teach them subject matter that they don’t want to learn, enforcing civil behavior that they haven’t been taught at home, being held responsible when they don’t learn, and being told it’s your fault when parents take offense at your plea for help?

By the way, I am neither a teacher nor an administrator. I’m just a parent who has seen it all and have great respect for the many excellent teachers who get slammed by ignorant internet posters.


13 posted on 09/07/2011 9:13:41 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah
why not go volunteer,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Excuse me! Did you write “volunteer”?

I should VOLUNTEER to help children think and reason GODLESSLY????? Huh?

I should VOLUNTEER to help children be comfortable with accepting socialism and **forced** payment from taxpayer to pay for a service their parents want for tuition-free???

I should VOLUNTEER to help children submit the very hearts and minds to brutal will of the voting mob?

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

( Yeah! I am shouting!) Anyone who cooperates with the above is evil!

21 posted on 09/07/2011 9:20:51 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Jedidah
I’m just a parent who has seen it all and have great respect for the many excellent teachers who get slammed by ignorant internet posters.

Might I recommend that you read John Taylor Gatto's Underground History of American Education. (two separate links there) Here's the first paragraph from the first review at Amazon:

John Taylor Gatto is a former New York public schoolteacher who taught for thirty years and won multiple awards for his teaching. However, constant harassment by unhelpful administrations plus his own frustrations with what he came to realize were the inherent systemic deficiencies of our `public' schools led him to resign; he now is a school-choice activist who writes and speaks against our compulsory, government-run school system.
I do recommend buying the book, but it is available for free at Gatto's site. Here is a link to Chapter Three from the Underground History.

I certainly wouldn't deny that I had some good teachers when I went to school, or that my kids had some good teachers when they went through school. We're sort of brainwashed to believe that.

Benjamin Franklin had NO teachers because he didn't go to school. He knew more and had read more by the time he was 16 years old than almost every college graduate does now by the time each receives his degree. He was hardly unique as you will find out if you read Underground History. A century ago most kids who didn't graduate from high school were well grounded in Latin and Greek. Something is very wrong.

In my own case I now realize that I taught myself most of the stuff I was interested in (math and science) long before they ever got to it in school. These classes mostly bored me because I knew the stuff already. And I learned not to like literature, history, and foreign language because all these things were forced upon me before I was ready to learn them. I still have trouble with foreign languages, but I'm exposed to it all the time and I wish I knew more. I'm still catching up on literature. As for history, I've probably read more and know more about it than 95% of the people who have history degrees. School was largely a waste of time for me; and not a small amount of time either.

ML/NJ

48 posted on 09/07/2011 10:17:17 AM PDT by ml/nj
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