Did Perry Always Jealously See Palin as a Threat?

Human Events ^ | September 8, 2011 | Tony Lee

[sickoflibs]

RE :"Don’t tell anyone, but Sarah might be a big improvement over Brett, purtier and more entertaining too."

Especially at the right camera angles

[gargoyle]

...That's right, your party dragged out a real winning ticket in 08. The same FR-eakers that claim the rest of us got BHO elected. What clown are you getting this time? Doesn't matter, just another corrupt statist to feed you shht you want to hear, and then ignore you the rest of their term...

[lentulusgracchus]

My point is that they are less conservative than most white Texans, the very Texans Perry came from himself, and more business-oriented, like the "good-government" RiNO's that cluster around the Bush family and form a pole of opposition to conervative Republican Texans -- opposition that we have seen play out:

• On the State Board of Education, when the Bushes ran primary challengers to Donna Ballard and other incumbent conservative GOP'ers a dozen years ago, in the name of "better government" (social conservatives were rejecting NEA-approved textbooks crowded with liberal propaganda)

• In Perry's appointments to high state offices, including the Texas supreme court, where his moderate Hispanic appointee was rejected in favor of a conservative by Texas voters; Perry then went all-out successfully to deny that conservative re-election (and rebuke the People, while he was at it -- a key value of RiNO/NWOism).

• On border issues, where Perry has repeatedly and tenaciously lined up with the RiNO/'Rat Open Borders Lobby against the People of the United States, and consistently tried to lie his way past his obstruction and opposition.

• In the state legislature, where bills he advocated were allowed to die in the regular and special sessions, because the 'Rat/RiNO condominium in the Lege opposed them, in league with Perry's political allies, the RiNO lieutenant-governor and house speaker.

Rick Perry's major political project has been identical to Lyndon Johnson's, of standing athwart the border with his feet jammed into the sluicegates, as his countrymen are swamped by a flood of new low-wage employees for amoral "pragmatic" nominally-Republican employers, with no thought to the state of the State or of his society's future. It's a con, a brutal one on a scale colossal, that may bring us a civil war and has already brought an ocean of budget, tax, and social problems, not to mention street crime.

[FreeReign]

Of course there is freedom of thought on FR. Just don’t post anything remotely critical of Sarah Palin. You can think it all ya want though !

It works both ways.

Take a look at the first few posts on this thread.

The article was critical of Perry. Two Perry supporters respond with name calling.

[magritte]

It’s about time for all parties to go to neutral corners and take a deep damned breath. I’m no saint, but I do try to at least start out a conversation with some rational thought.

When does primary season end? Argh.

[P-Marlowe]

It is also dishonest to put words in another poster's mouth, as you are doing here.

Sorry. Is it that you don't believe Palin is honest or you do believe that Perry is?

You apparently are unwilling to grasp the obvious concept that the presidential candidate is the one who sets the policies for the ticket, not the veep, because the veep is not the one seeking the job where they WILL set the policies if they win.

You are apparently unwilling to grasp the concept that the Presidential nominee appoints an individual that they feel will be a good VP to the post and that after that, the VP nominee has no obligation to be the press secretary for the Presidential Nominee's policies, especially where the VP nominee disagrees with them.

If McCain wanted a clone he could have nominated Feingold as his VP nominee. The convention has no say in who the nominee for VP is. McCain obviously vetted Palin and was confident that she would support his positions and she did. So the question is, did she support those positions because she believed in them, or did she support them because she felt an obligation to pay McCain back for the favor of nominating her?

I have never said he is dishonest, never said he is corrupt, never said he pushed the Gardasil mandate in return for Merck campaign contributions

IIRC Merck donated $6000 to his campaign account. If he did it for the donations, he is a pretty lousy crook. If he did it because he thought it was the right thing to do (like Sarah Palin supporting TARP) then the donation was irrelevant to his decision.

If you see Palin doing that as dishonest, well, you are looking for reasons to bash her, even as you lecture others on the same thread about looking for reasons to bash Perry.

I don't see her as dishonest. It is the people who claim she was against TARP when she said she was for it that are making the claim that she was being dishonest. I think she really did support TARP when she was barking for the McCain. Maybe she has since changed her mind and realized her mistake. (Kinda like Rick Perry and the Guardasil).

In other words, you are being a rank hypocrite, but we've come to expect that from a lot of supporters of all stripes during primary silly season.

LOL. I am being consistent. It is those who claim that Sarah Palin was against TARP but still supported it and then claim that Sarah Palin can't be bought that are the hypocrites. I don't believe she is corrupt. I do, however, believe she is pliable.

[lentulusgracchus]

Is there something wrong with being a businessperson of Mexican heritage? If not, why is there anything wrong with liking them?

No, and yes. Perry, and Bush/Rove before him, has hazarded a large enterprise on catering for Hispanics publicly (mi casa su casa etc.) with e.g. the "Dream Act" offering the children of illegal immigrants in-state tuition at Texas state campuses, as one example. He has politically authored and fostered other measures as well, involving e.g. cross-border insurance and health schemes that would serve populations in the zona fronteriza down in the Rio Grande Valley.

His political strategy is held forth as the Bush/Rove strategy of encouraging Hispanics to register and vote Republican -- the aforementioned appointees are billboards for this initiative -- in an effort to raise the Republican split among Tejano Democrats from 30% to more nearly 50%.

South and Central American immigrants -- legal ones who apply for citizenship and vote -- split their votes pretty much down the middle like the rest of the population according to their circumstances. But the Tejanos are very consistent in voting 70% majorities for the Democrats, and they are very conservative in their voting patterns, which replicate ancestral voting patterns two and three generations ago in Mexico, which is why NALEO dreams of realizing sufficient immigration from Mexico to make them the political masters of North America, with all the cultural conflict that that portends for the future (examples: Belgium, Bosnia, Quebec, Tibet, Lebanon, Cyprus, France).

Personally, I think the "strategy" is a fig-leaf, a rationalization of a far more fundamental relationship: the GOP is totally dominated by labor-intensive employers who have used, for 180 years, uncontrolled immigration to break wages of their workforces, and who will not desist until and unless, as in 1925, a political constellation firms up to stamp the public consensus on federal law, which will terminate the wage-breaking game and the Wall Street agenda of "reproletarization" of the American People through carefully premeditated and politically-covered destruction of their earning and negotiating power.

The RiNO leadership, in jamming the floodgates open, are showing their true agenda, and any chat about political co-optation strategies is just a screen for the true political agenda. That agenda can be summarized as delivering, for their Business Roundtable principals, the enjoyment of protected first-world prices, third-world wages, and out-of-this-world spreads between cost and price.

[casinva]

But I still recognize in Rick Perry a self-important jerk who acts one way on a dais, and another way when he doesn't realize there's a camera watching.

Funny you should say that since it is public knowledge that most Texas law enforcement vehicles have cameras on them. Add to that that the cameras are easy to see. The officers can turn them off if they want, but they are usually on when they are working.

I believe you are from Texas, so I didn't need to tell you that, but it was probably good information for others reading this to know that. Rick Perry would have been aware he was being videotaped.

Was it great for him to get out and ask if the officer needed his ID or what the wait was if they were not going to get a ticket? No. Was he acting in an intimidating way? Pushing her? Telling her to 'git on down the road? Absolutely NOT, and those embellishments are outright false statements.

I didn't want to come on any Palin first thread and argue with anyone, but I also don't think it is right to let lies and propaganda about ANY candidate go left unchecked. The other readers here needed to see the correct info about this as well. That is why I posted the actual videos above. We'll let the ones who do not have an agenda make up their own minds. As I said, I don't think it was his best day, but it is CERTAINLY not what some are trying to claim it to be.

I am sure we are all glad, though, that you gave us all the inside information as to how the Texas Democrats used the tape. It is interesting to have that kind of insider info. Thanks for sharing that!

[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

Stevens/Jetson 2012

Ping me to get ON or OFF or upside down on this list

[lentulusgracchus]

Absolutely NOT, and those embellishments are outright false statements.

Not. Like you, I'm perfectly happy to let anyone who wants, look at that video and decide for himself if that trooperette was cringing when she realized it was the governor, if she backed off writing a speeding ticket and made it a "warning" instead (I have never received a "warning" from a Texas DPS trooper -- they are not in the "warning" business!), and whether Rick Perry fully intended to expedite his journey by intimidating that trooper.

Go ahead and look, everybody -- and then decide what you think about Rick Perry. I did. And that was back before I found out about his big-bucks contributors and his subservience to them.

[casinva]

Oh I agree with you that Rick Perry fully intended to expedite his journey.

I also respect your right to not like Rick Perry's personality.

I also don't think I would get out of a car when stopped by a police officer, and don't think it was right for him to do so either. But then, I know from a family member in law enforcement that law enforcement officers are leary when people get out of their cars to talk with them since they never know who is in the car and consequently if they may be dealing with a criminal. So, I would not have stepped out of the car, and it was a bad idea for him to have done that too.

He said exactly those things in the additional "interview" clips at the end of both videos.

He and his driver were wrong to get out of the car at all, and he should not have asked to just be let to go on since his driver wasn't even getting a ticket. People should show officers more respect and be more respectful than that.

And he acknowledged what a poop head he was for that.

But intimidation? Ah, come on. But DO, please everybody, check the videos from the police car's camera which Rick Perry would have known was there.

A police stop is ALWAYS intimidating.... to the DRIVER and PASSENGER, so of course viewers are going to feel that anxiety of a police stop. Probably hearts were pounding. We all understand that.

But intimidating actions? Not from the officer, not from the driver (who was babbling "I'm sorry, I'm sorry the whole time), and not from Rick Perry asking what the officer needed and (stupidly I agree) asking to be allowed to go since no one was getting a ticket anyway.

I am interested in your superman eyesight though. I posted the communication between Rick Perry and the officer, and we could see the governor's driver who got the warning and the governor step out and go back into his car, but hummmm..... the officer is not visible on that right side of the screen at the time Perry stepped out and asked if she needed his ID. (Well, heck.. I guess if someone asked me if I needed to see their ID, I might just fall to the ground in tremble and fear, come to think of it.) The problem with what you are saying though, is that while the video captures the driver and Rick Perry, you can't SEE her! If you would like to post a link where you can actually SEE the officer on that right side leaning backwards as Perry stepped up to his driver, by all means, please do. I would love to see the outer parts of that video where she was and where I sure couldn't see her.

If you have another, larger-screen copy of this video with more than the police officer's camera shows, could you please give us the link so we can see what you are describing?

As far as a governor asking if a police officer needed an ID frightening a respected and well-trained law enforcement officer? Wow. I guess I have more confidence in a policeman with a gun than you do.

So, here we go again.

See videos below.

You will see the driver (not even Perry) exit the car and go to the officer to speak with her (if it had been a ticket, it would have been the driver, not Perry), after which Rick Perry exits the car to walk over to the two who are already talking on the side of the road.

The total of Perry’s part of the conversation then begins and is listed below:

Rick Perry: (Gives officer the proof of insurance she had requested from Perry's driver.)

Perry: Are you going to need to see my ID?

Officer: No Sir.

Perry: Are you writing him a ticket?

Officer: No sir.

Perry: I’m wondering what’s the hold up here then.

Officer: I’m writing a warning, sir.

Perry: Well then why don’t you just let us get on down the road?

Officer: After I get done with my warning, sir, I’ll let you get down the road, sir.

Rick Perry: (Turns and walks back to the car).

One Linky Dinky

and

Two Linky Dinky

Ewewewewewew.... Listen to the trained police officer with the legal authority and a big gun cower and shriek with fear as she says "After I get done with my warning, sir, I’ll let you get down the road, sir."

"Have a nice day, sir."

[sickoflibs]

At least Stevens wasnt the gay Darrin.

[dforest]

Well, not that we know of anyway;^)

[casinva]

Wow. See Rick Perry diss Sarah Palin again in 2010. He just sure can’t seem to give her the spotlight at all, can he?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z75yHEy98wY&feature=related

[2ndDivisionVet]

He was the main breadwinner for many years, as I understand it. Your snide jabs and put-downs are making me ill.

[casinva]

What’s wrong with Todd being a stay at home dad while Sarah works?

You know, I actually really agree with you on that. While I heard other people in 2008 saying "she needs to stay home with her family", I kept asking "Why can't a woman do a very special job God calls her to do?"

If the Good Lord asks a little more of someone for a moment in time, He'll provide the sufficient grace to cover the extra needs for that special period of time.

[casinva]

HA HA LOL :)

I just posted that same video a little later in this thread (after you had posted it) not realizing that was the same one you just posted here.

My comment on this video was something like ... “See Rick Perry diss Sarah Palin AGAIN in 2010”.

Funny.

[Friendofgeorge]

Hey glad to hear you are a West bot!!! I like him also, there is a decent chance Gov Palin picks him as her running mate.

I like thousands of others watching West give his CPAC speech, said Sarah needs to pick this guy to be her running mate.

In my household we all looked at each other simultaneously the moment he finished speaking and said, Sarah needs to pick this guy to be her VP. I believe thousands upon thousands said the exact same thing.

The guy has all the right values, military guy to boot, not to mention killer looks.

And on the political side alone, could perhaps bring the black vote into the 20 something % range.

So ya, Palin West 2012

Perry I am sure will be at peace heading back to Texas

[Allegra]

Post #174 - well said, Mike.

[casinva]

lentulusgracchus, I’m replying to my own post on this thread but including you in the ping so, if you or anyone else wanted to go back and look at the post I’m referring to, it will be easier to do so.

I’ve got my family off early this morning, and I’m getting ready to go soon myself, but I had a lot of time riding in our car through Texas yesterday, and I was thinking about my post here to you.

We both obviously disagree on how to characterize the “Perry-driver-warning” video where Rick Perry got out of his car and talked with his driver and the officer.

You have added descriptions of things I could not see in the video nor I believe anyone else could see. Perhaps you had another video that showed a wider view that I couldn’t find anywhere, and I am serious in my request that if you do have another video that shows what you tried to say happened, I really would like to have that public here. That would be good to know. (Would it make a complete difference with anything? Probably not, but it should be public if there IS a video that shows what you described.)

Aside from that issue though, I wanted to clarify that I do believe his stepping out of the car and asking if the officer needed his ID could very well have been intimidating, and I don’t think his tone of voice was pleasant either when he asked why the officer couldn’t just let them get on down the road since the driver wasn’t getting a ticket anyway.

While I do not see your “cowering over / pushing over / whatever” actions you are saying are there, I don’t believe we are polar opposites on this tape either.

I just wanted to let you know that I feel the heavy sarcasm I used to point our differences out made my post too strong for our differences. While I posted the only video I am aware of and pointed out what one could see or would need to hear from that video, the brash sarcasm was a little over the top, and I would like to apologize for that.

You are a good Freeper, lentulusgracchus. You usually make good points, and you provide a lot of good information a lot of the times. After some time to think, I don’t think I would have needed more than to have posted a simple link to the video and possibly included the printed words of Rick Perry to have rebutted. This situation with you did not require the additional sarcasm with you, and for that, I am sorry.

The videos and my response which are referred to can be seen on the post I have replied to here.