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To: marktwain

Yesterday the California legislature made open carry illegal. The bill has yet to be signed by Moonbeam, but I don’t feel good about it.
Are you allowed to open carry loaded? We have to carry unloaded, which is kind of pointless.


18 posted on 09/11/2011 6:57:42 AM PDT by Excellence ( CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Excellence
Are you allowed to open carry loaded?

What is the point of carryin an unloaded firearm? Only in CA would even THAT be illegal.
24 posted on 09/11/2011 7:42:22 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: Excellence
Yesterday the California legislature made open carry illegal. The bill has yet to be signed by Moonbeam, but I don’t feel good about it.

Actually it may be a good thing if he does; the CA courts have been rejecting the challenges to the constitutionality of the State's shall-issue CCW policies... by citing that Open Carry is a legal alternative.

With the illegalization of Open Carry this is non longer true. Furthermore, it is the State saying that it can regulate who may bear weapons at all. Therefore, BOTH the OC and CCW laws can be challenged at once as contra-Constitutional; [even] furthermore, the legislature (and Gov) passing/signing this into law would be Felons:

US CODE, TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 13, § 241. Conspiracy against rights

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment 
of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include 
kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for 
any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
And

US CODE, TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 13, § 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law
 
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

Sorry about § 242, but it really is formatted as a giant block of text. *bleh*

30 posted on 09/12/2011 3:21:29 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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