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To: SmithL

Lets get something straight. An anthropoligist examined the bones of the people killed and said that they weren’t shot but were bludgened to death with tomahawks. Clearly it was the indians and not the Mormons who killed them. And, the indians were justified because the people had left poisoned meat out for the indians, killing several.


2 posted on 09/11/2011 10:30:03 PM PDT by webboy45
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To: webboy45
Can let the physical evidence conflict with the preferred official story. It wouldn't be politically correct.
3 posted on 09/11/2011 10:33:23 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: webboy45

Mormons killed them. But your attempt at satire was pretty good.


4 posted on 09/11/2011 10:40:14 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: webboy45
The 760-acre site is where 120 members of an Arkansas wagon train were shot and killed by a Mormon militia on Sept. 11, 1857.

Wait just a minute...here!! Are YOU saying the AP is wrong here...and you have evidence that proves this?

Different story...but Quanah Parker dealt with deceit and lies all the time...from whites and Indians both.

I'd gather the real story, isn't what you think.

5 posted on 09/11/2011 10:42:35 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum)
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To: webboy45

Nice try at revisional history. Henry Lee and others led the group that murdered the Gentiles at the direction of the Church Leaders. This has been acknowledged by the Church.


6 posted on 09/11/2011 10:47:36 PM PDT by TaMoDee (GO PACK GO to Super Bowl XLVI)
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To: webboy45

Yeah, right. But weren’t those Indians something-ites, descended from the lost tribe of Israel? Another claim for which there is zero historical proof?


7 posted on 09/11/2011 10:51:40 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: webboy45
Okay...just for fun.

Do you really think whites didn't scalp? Mutilate? Torture? Capture? Kill women and children?

Do you really think whites wouldn't try to "fake" a killing...to blame it on Indians?

And do you REALLY think it's "clear"? I mean REALLY?

9 posted on 09/11/2011 10:55:10 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum)
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To: webboy45

Baloney. The evidence is pretty clear what happened there. The Mormons used Indians to hide their identity and when that failed, they took matters into their own hands. A Mormon was executed for planning this disgrace. Take your revisionist history elsewhere.


10 posted on 09/11/2011 10:59:04 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: webboy45

No, you get something straight Brigham Young ordered the massacre.


11 posted on 09/11/2011 11:00:41 PM PDT by svcw (iphone 5 release date late October - rats)
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13 posted on 09/11/2011 11:09:42 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: webboy45

That’s pretty funny. Next you’ll say J Smith got the Book of Mormon off of some gold plates.


14 posted on 09/11/2011 11:36:07 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: webboy45

I went to high school with Jock.


16 posted on 09/11/2011 11:57:40 PM PDT by tiki
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To: webboy45

If you are relating your post as fact, it is evident you have done no actual research into the massacre’s history. Or, you are attempting to justify what occurred by rewriting said history of September 11-16, 1857.

It is true that some of the Mormons dressed as Indians committed the massacre with the help of local Paiute Indians. But when they attacked, they found that the Arkansas party was well armed, knew how to use those arms and for five days fought back very hard. After killing and wounding some of the Paiutes, (AKA Diggers) who were foolish and had no idea how to fight. The Mormons then came up with the scheme for some Whites to parley and John D. Lee went in with a white flag of truce to offer the party safety from the Indians (both real and fake Mormon ones) if they would surrender their firearms. After much distrust, the party finally agreed, once done, women and children separated from the males, the Mormons and Indians then slaughtered all of the defenseless party except for 17 of the very young. These youngest were then adopted by Mormon families, but some were very aware and remembered had happened.

John D. Lee was the only one ever held accountable for the massacre, after his trial and conviction, in 1877 he was taken back to site of the Massacre at Mountain Meadows. There he was made to sit upon his own coffin and executed by a firing squad.

One of the saddest things I have read was related by one of the survivors. She said her family had just sat down for a breakfast of fried rabbit, when her sister’s head exploded.


17 posted on 09/12/2011 12:25:35 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: webboy45
It's beyond any shadow of a doubt that local mormons and mormon leaders participated (on the ground and behind the scenes) in this atrocity. There were confessions, convictions and even an execution of the local mormon militia members by ALL MORMON juries. Bringham Young himself condemned and even excommunicated many of them.

Welcome to reality. You're acting like Mitt Romney when he's confronted by inconvenient facts - deny the truth and lash out at the truth-tellers.

20 posted on 09/12/2011 1:04:06 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: webboy45
Lets get something straight. An anthropoligist examined the bones of the people killed and said that they weren’t shot but were bludgened to death with tomahawks. Clearly it was the indians and not the Mormons who killed them. And, the indians were justified because the people had left poisoned meat out for the indians, killing several.

Remark quoted in its entirety, to stress the type thing that some will stoop to post to revise history. Did you really believe you could slip that bilge past alert members?

23 posted on 09/12/2011 3:50:01 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: webboy45
You really think you could slip that by us skippy? I have ancestors in Arkansas buried in the same cemetery as some of the returned victims. The event tself is well woven in Arkansas history, though it took place in Utah.

The Mormons had their blood all over their hands with this massacre, and I am surprised one their flock would stoop to try to revise the story over 150 years later. Nice try.

24 posted on 09/12/2011 4:07:04 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: webboy45
Um, the Mormons confessed...

I mean I now revising and creating facts is a Mormon habit, but when the higher ups even come clean...

25 posted on 09/12/2011 4:07:56 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: webboy45

mormon turds. I had family that were regulars on wagon trains. Those days were hard and somewhat innocent but evil still existed. The bravery and courage of those early Americans is inspiring.


26 posted on 09/12/2011 4:24:52 AM PDT by st.eqed
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To: webboy45
Lets get something straight.

Obama says:

"Let me be perfectly clear..."


"I am a true believer in the gospel of Jesus Christ, I do not believe everything that is now being taught and practiced by Brigham Young.

 

I do not care who hears it. It is my last word - it is so.

 

I believe he is lead­ing the people astray, downward to destruction.

 

But I believe in the gospel that was taught in its purity by Joseph Smith, in former days.

 

I have my reasons for it.

 

 

 

 

"I studied to make this man's [Brigham Young] will my pleasure for thirty years.

 

See, now, what I have come to this day!

 

 

 

"I have been sacrificed in a cowardly, dastardly manner."    (Lee enun­ciated this sentence with marked emphasis.)

 

 

 

Excerpted from --> http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mountainmeadows/leeexecution.html

30 posted on 09/12/2011 5:10:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: webboy45; All
See: September 11 Significant to Utah Native Americans [Real 19th-century Mormonism]
32 posted on 09/12/2011 5:37:09 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: webboy45

Herculeze!

You are correct that an anthropoligist examined the bones, but contrary to your fantasy, the anthropoligist declared that they were NOT bludgened to death. Rather, it was clearly evident that they WERE shot in the head.

You appear to be an ignorant zealot attempting to distort the facts and spread lies. Get a life, Buckwheat.


37 posted on 09/12/2011 7:48:57 AM PDT by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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