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Hill Dems pick apart Obama jobs plan (His own party rips his jobs bill)
Politico ^ | 09/14/2011 | Manu Raju

Posted on 09/14/2011 6:53:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

President Barack Obama’s new jobs plan is hitting some unexpected turbulence in the halls of Congress: lawmakers from his own party.

As he demands Congress quickly approve his ambitious proposal aimed at reviving the sagging economy, many Democrats on Capitol Hill appear far from sold that the president has the right antidote to spur major job growth and turn around their party’s political fortunes.

“Terrible,” Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) told POLITICO when asked about the president’s ideas for how to pay for the $450 billion price tag. “We shouldn’t increase taxes on ordinary income. … There are other ways to get there.”

“That offset is not going to fly, and he should know that,” said Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu from the energy-producing Louisiana, referring to Obama’s elimination of oil and gas subsidies. “Maybe it’s just for his election, which I hope isn’t the case.”

“I think the best jobs bill that can be passed is a comprehensive long-term deficit-reduction plan,” said Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.), discussing proposals to slash the debt by $4 trillion by overhauling entitlement programs and raising revenue through tax reforms. “That’s better than everything else the president is talking about — combined.”

And those are just the moderates in the party. Some liberals also have concerns.

“There is serious discomfort with potentially setting up Social Security as a fall guy because you’re taking this contribution out,” said Rep. Raul Grijalva of Arizona, referring to Obama’s proposal to further slash payroll taxes.

Democrats in large numbers will still back the president’s overall jobs package, and when the plan heads for House and Senate consideration, some of these same skeptics will very likely vote to advance the measure. But as details of the plan began to be vetted on Capitol Hill on Tuesday, it was clear that the White House needed to redouble its sales job — or tweak its plan — to force Democrats to fall in line at a pivotal point in Obama’s presidency.

White House officials aren’t ruling out making changes to the bill or compromising with Republicans on pieces of the agenda, and they plan to brief Senate Democrats on Thursday. But following his joint address to Congress last week, Obama, in a feisty speech Tuesday in Columbus, Ohio, again ratcheted up pressure to “pass this bill.”

“Tell them that if you want to create jobs right now — pass this bill,” Obama said. “If you want construction workers renovating schools like this one — pass this bill. If you want to put teachers back in the classroom — pass this bill. If you want tax cuts for middle-class families and small-business owners, then what do you do? Pass this bill.”

The audience shouted back, “Pass this bill!”

But in the halls of Congress, “this bill” was already expected to be modified, pared back significantly or overtaken by the powerful new deficit-slashing supercommittee.

“It’s hard to have an opinion on something you don’t think is going to be the final product,” said Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson, a conservative Democrat who faces a tough reelection next year. “I’ve made it clear I’m looking for [tax] cuts, so I’m very hopeful there will be cuts.”

The wide-ranging reaction from Democrats speaks to the dilemma facing Obama as he heads into a tough reelection with the threat of economic recession looming: He needs to show the public that he’s pushing forward a bold and detailed plan to reverse the 9.1 percent unemployment rate, but his low approval ratings have made it harder to push a bill through a deeply divided Congress.

The push to inject cash into the economy has left Democrats stuck between pushing a jobs bill while trying not to add to the deficit.

“Every dollar that is spent on the jobs bill … is not going to be available to Congress to deal with the debt,” said Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, an independent who caucuses with Democrats. “And to me, the top priority of ours should be long-term major debt reduction.”

Lieberman insisted he was still open to backing the Obama plan, but he said the revenue raisers laid out in the plan raise “questions about whether it will be paid for over the long term.”

The new congressional supercommittee, created by last month’s law to raise the debt ceiling, could very well play a large role for the Obama jobs plan, which calls on the panel to find additional cost savings to help pay for it. In an effort to push the committee to find additional cuts in the range of $4 trillion over the next decade, a bipartisan group of senators met Tuesday morning in an effort to push the panel in that direction.

And next week, the White House plans to unveil what Obama says is a long-term deficit-reduction plan — on top of the measures that administration officials say will fully offset the costs of the new jobs proposal over 10 years.

In the jobs plan, Obama proposes to expand payroll tax cuts so employees’ rates would be reduced to 3.1 percent in 2012, down from the original rate of 6.2 percent that helps fund Social Security. A number of tax credits would be extended to businesses that hire workers and purchase new equipment. Billions would be spent on school construction, the hiring of teachers, the enlistment of more first responders, the rebuilding of infrastructure and for construction companies renovating old homes. Unemployment benefits would be extended through 2013.

To pay for nearly $400 billion, the White House would limit to 28 percent itemized deductions for families earning more than $250,000. Some $18 billion would be raised by increasing taxes on income earned by investment funds, another $40 billion would be raised by repealing certain subsidies for oil and gas drilling, and $3 billion would be raised by overhauling how taxes are treated for corporate jets.

Limiting deductions to upper-income families was opposed by all but three senators in the Democratic-controlled Senate in 2009. But some of those who voted against the idea in 2009 say they’d be open to backing it as part of a comprehensive package.

“The president has laid out a package, laid out a way of paying for it, I have no trouble supporting it,” said Democratic Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota.

Similarly, while some Democrats worried about the impact further cuts to the payroll tax would have on the Social Security program, and whether it would spur job growth, some like Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.) said they could swallow it as part of a more sweeping proposal.

But the tax increases clearly have generated concern among a number of Democrats who are calling for broader changes rather than tax hikes on specific industries.

“If we’re going to change something, we got to be sure that we do it in the total [tax reform] package, that they know what the rules of the road are,” said Sen. Kay Hagan (D-N.C.).

Democratic Sen. Mark Begich, from the oil-rich state of Alaska, said it was “frustrating” to see the president single out the oil industry after calling on the congressional supercommittee in last week’s address to Congress to find savings.

“When you start singling out certain industries, there’s an unfairness to it,” he said in an interview. “On the pay-fors, I have a problem.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democrats; jobsbill; jobsplan; obamajobsbill; obamajobsplan

1 posted on 09/14/2011 6:53:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

As they should.


2 posted on 09/14/2011 6:54:44 AM PDT by b4its2late ("Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8")
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To: SeekAndFind
They waited to react on the bill because they wanted to see how much trouble the party was in. They lost in NY demo/rep 3/1 & I think they now see the light. Obama’s no longer their little messiah.
3 posted on 09/14/2011 6:56:07 AM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama is a lame duck.


4 posted on 09/14/2011 6:57:31 AM PDT by Obadiah (Okay, so what's the speed of dark?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu from the energy-producing Louisiana, referring to Obama’s elimination of oil and gas subsidies. “Maybe it’s just for his election, which I hope isn’t the case.”

Mary, Mary, Mary, can you really be that damn'd dumb? He doesn't give a rip about your constituents in the oil industry in Louisiana, or how breaking them could possibly hurt your reelection chances. It's all about him.

5 posted on 09/14/2011 6:59:53 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: SeekAndFind
I don't think the bill has even been filed. Its my understanding, this needs to be done by a House Dem. Maybe no one wants to stick their neck out.
6 posted on 09/14/2011 7:01:52 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: SeekAndFind


7 posted on 09/14/2011 7:02:16 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: SeekAndFind

“O” is struggling with this issue because he basically doesn’t know what a job IS!


8 posted on 09/14/2011 7:02:16 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change. " Robert Anthony)
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To: Graybeard58

Is this the same Mary Landrieu who BOASTED about how much her PAYBACK was regarding Hussein’s DEATHCARE bill?


9 posted on 09/14/2011 7:03:25 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, if their “side” has started implementing the new “throw zero under the bus” campaign, expect the MSM to start treating him like GWB.

Obama is no longer of concern to us. We need to watch for who the dems will offer up as their presidential candidate in 2012.

It is pretty clear it won’t be Obama.


10 posted on 09/14/2011 7:08:28 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SeekAndFind
AHH, the natives are getting restless.
11 posted on 09/14/2011 7:09:58 AM PDT by fedupjohn ("JUST LIKE YOU, I'M NOT FOR SALE!....Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama will discover that a family in blue states making 250-350K does not consider itself rich. When these folks see their mortgage and state and local tax deductions reduced by 2/3rds the dems will have Hell to pay.


12 posted on 09/14/2011 7:12:23 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!)
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To: fedupjohn

The only reason these Democrats are criticizing the President’s plan is because they are racists. Racists! Oh yes they tried to conceal it by praising Obama, but in the end their racism comes out. Even those Black critics are now revealed as self-hating house Negroes. This is sarcasm. However, it is no more ridiculous than what the “progressives” have been spouting for the last two years.


13 posted on 09/14/2011 7:37:26 AM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: Linda Frances

Well, these dopes should have gotten it with a Republican win with Teddy’s seat, along with Republicans winning the governorships then 2010. IF it takes NY-9 to wake them up....it is a little too late. IF they’d awaken with just the Brown win...they’d have had the opportunity to respond to Americans and never would have lost NY-9.


14 posted on 09/14/2011 7:43:34 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: SeekAndFind

shallow dribble from obamma mamba jamma lenin Khomeini


15 posted on 09/14/2011 7:43:43 AM PDT by aces
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To: Recovering_Democrat

That’s what we should do to obamma mamba jamma lenin Khomeini
a continual you lie shout down, I have no respect for him at all..


16 posted on 09/14/2011 7:46:25 AM PDT by aces
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To: SeekAndFind
“We shouldn’t increase taxes on ordinary income. … There are other ways to get there.”
What the hell is "ordinary income"? And if there is an "ordinary income" then doesn't that necessarily mean that there's an extraordinary income?

Congress is only supposed to function on taxes in the form of Duties, Imposts and Excises. There is no permission granted to collect taxes on my labor.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Read that last part again...what types of taxes are being spoken of? ...Duties, Imposts and Excises...taxes on goods.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, >insert< in the form of >/insert< Duties, Imposts and Excises,

If the government wants my money they can tax goods as they're Constitutionally allowed.

Everything else is theft.

17 posted on 09/14/2011 7:57:35 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SMARTY

His “jobs bill” is nothing more than more Keynesian spending and creating new government employees to do nothing.
And we can see from the demographic makeup of most government jobs that this is an indirect but de facto reparations payment.


18 posted on 09/14/2011 8:03:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

I guess we are all supposed to be so stupid that we can’t see that.


19 posted on 09/14/2011 8:24:57 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change. " Robert Anthony)
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