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The GOP's Genius Plan to Beat Obama in 2012
Mother Jones, via Hot Air ^
| 14 Sep 2011
| Nick Baumann
Posted on 09/15/2011 7:15:39 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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To: Bronurstomp
And it would further the diminution of the States as politically distinct entities and tend to make them more like Provinces.
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posted on
09/15/2011 11:30:33 AM PDT
by
arthurus
(Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
To: rottndog
this would eliminate the practice of dem precincts monitoring returns and finding enough votes to sway an election.I think it would more likely maximize that activity in all districts where it is possible.
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09/15/2011 11:35:15 AM PDT
by
arthurus
(Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
To: arthurus
Yes but our current system allows for rampant voter fraud in urban areas and allows more of a mob rule than an apportion type strategy. I don't think “Well I don't know but I am sure the Democrats will find a way to use this against us” is a valid counterpoint and the legislators in my state agree. The larger states with urban areas should adopt this strategy, it's actually more in line with what the founders had envisioned than a winner take all deal. Rural counties votes count as much as the urban area. Candidates would have to appeal to ALL Americans not just to urban interests like mass transit, large public works projects, etc. It is a superior idea whose time has come.
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09/15/2011 12:08:18 PM PDT
by
Bronurstomp
(nytflyr: #attackwatch I know where Anne Frank is hiding)
To: Vigilanteman
Maybe you ought to look at the Congressional Districts in Maine and Nebraska where the system is actually used before making such a statement.Choosing states with just two representatives each (and not a huge political divide between urban and rural areas) isn't really a good counterargument.
Yes, let's indeed focus on the states that already have a history of Gerrymandering for the purposes of congressional representation. The political maneuvering that led to the Gerrymandering in the first place would kick into overdrive when the presidency is at stake.
If the party in power in a state decides that bizarrely-drawn districts will make the difference in a presidential election, what do you think will happen?
To: Vigilanteman
Choosing states with just two representatives each Oops, I just noticed that Nebraska has 3 districts -- but my point still stands: I'm willing to bet that Nebraska is politically homogeneous enough outside of Omaha that there's no point in trying to Gerrymander the districts.
To: Constitutionalist Conservative
I will concede that is is likely that the Maine and Nebraska plan as applied to larger states, will probably not produce the neat congressional boundries which I've already demonstrated exist there. But it is a false argument for two reasons:
- States dominated by the Democrat party won't do it anyway because fairness is an alien concept unless it helps them. This won't.
- Rampant Gerrymandering already exists, as demonstrated by four random examples:
IOW, it really can't get much worse. If Gerrymandering is a concern, it can be addressed by legislation such as Iowa enacted to draw boundries by an independent commission separated from the political process and mandated to respect county and municipal boundries. This was the result:
Current configuration on the left, redistrticted configuration (starting next election cycle) on the right.
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posted on
09/15/2011 1:57:17 PM PDT
by
Vigilanteman
(Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
To: stormhill
The election night we only get information about who won the most EVs. Upon knowing which candidate is the ‘winner’, the rest of the EVs are allocated to him/her. Granted, this only works with odd number of EVs.
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09/15/2011 2:47:20 PM PDT
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paudio
(The 0bama Downgrade Part Two (a possible sequel to the current horror movie))
To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
At this point, I think the only ‘genius’ plan needed by the GOP is, um, run somebody.
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09/15/2011 2:52:16 PM PDT
by
tnlibertarian
(Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)
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