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To: Red6

“They didn’t like the Schickegruber years after they helped get him elected, either.”

The German Jews always opposed Hitler. The Nazi meetings were closed to Jews from the begining and the Nazis were openly hostile to Jews from before they were an organized political party.

If you are going to spread lies, at least be smart about it.


12 posted on 09/16/2011 2:31:05 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
They had secret meetings that left everyone out except the insiders...

It's not lies, even here in the US the Nazi's had a large and wide spread support for their ideology among industry leaders and celebs to include Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, Rockefeller, Mellon, Joseph Kennedy, Hearst... Here's a little truth you might not want to accept, in the beginning (Hitlers rise to power) many saw opportunity in this man and there were many wealthy people as well as industrialists that threw their support behind him. In the beginning they (The Nazi movement) attempted to seduce religion, to include Christian churches (especially Protestant because they were generally more receptive- of course now some Protestant will get pissed off too) where they tried hard to pervert the message and make it work for their cause. Later this relationship became more adversarial once the Nazi's had centralized power, especially with those that didn't “toe the line”... But sadly, yes even among religious Christian leaders you found substantial support in the beginning...

Of course now, no one wants to be associated with this, neither the Churches, the businesses that profiteered, the socialists, media, many wealthy people, celebrities... Today everyone was against him and everyone was the victim and will vehemently argue that their cause has zero connection to this movement and man. Somehow, mysteriously he got the popular vote and was well financed, had positive press coverage even here in the US, even though NO ONE liked, supported or financed him./lol Maybe the Nazi's in their secret meetings that kept people out also “forced” folks here in the US to support this movement? Your views are exactly the same views expressed by a typical German socialist today who feels compelled to argue away the ties between national socialism back then and the socialism they believe in today. No one wants their cause, race, religion, political ideology, business (General Motors, IG Farben, DuPont, Standard Oil, National City Bank-sadly this bank was founded by a Jew, and all supporting national socialism, some right up until the day war was declared) or national history connected with something bad and evil. We always try to somehow separate ourselves and our beliefs from things that have a negative perception and mood. That is why they try very hard in Germany to eradicate all memories of this era, except of course a few monuments they can't get rid of because of the Holocaust (Dachau etc). Of course the Jews because of their plight under this regime are a special class that like black Americans when discussing race have to be dealt with through the politically correct filter and with kids gloves.

One thing you need to know; when you're dealing with power and money you often get very weird relationships or dynamics, sometimes even self destructive. Today, when dealing with the illegal and border issue you essentially have the liberal and the generally speaking more right oriented businesses on the same sheet of music. They have different reasons, but you basically have many on the right as well as left pushing back on any sort of crack down on illegals, securing the border or even enforcing visa standards etc. One can only speculate over their motives, but this odd dynamics is definitely there. The message to the general public by politicians is not backed by their actions either. Though conservatives want to distance themselves from this reality (for reasons aforementioned) it was Reagan that granted amnesty before, Bush W could have done far more but drug his feet. McCain and Perry that now want to reinvent themselves as tough guys on the illegal and border issues are on the record in their support for amnesty... Yet the Republicans want to pretend as if they are “tough” on this issue today. Now I'm going to get flamed by those that feel they have to defend the Republican party, Perry or McCain.

But sure, anything stating that Jews might have had their fingers in the cookie jar is anti Semitic and conspiratorial, got it. I already know where this conversation will go. Yes, even here in the US the Nazi movement had quite some support by some banks, businesses, industrialists, media and celebrities, some even Jewish owned. Even in the US pre war you had a substantial movement and growing support with large crowds gathering when they gave their speeches etc. Want some funny pictures of things that never happened and are all lies? Just google (in picture mode): "german american bund"

20 posted on 09/17/2011 8:01:31 AM PDT by Red6
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Today isn't much different then the past. Today a Jewish community is beginning to drift away from a politician that attended an antisemitic church for 17 years, has Hussein as a middle name, a Muslim and later atheist father, and made all sorts of comments throughout his political life that run contrary to the nation of Israel and value system they say they believe in. All of this was information readily available before the elections in 2008. Now he's doing things that don't agree with- what a shocker.

The Jews have a death wish.

They supported Clinton (no big supporter of Israel), they supported Carter (no big supporter of Israel), they supported FDR (someone who didn't really like the Jews and made some nasty comments about them), they went against Eisenhower who did support them even when he did become President, they supported Gore, Kerry, Obama... ( http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html ) They consistently vote for the more liberal, the further left candidate (even local and state), even if this person has openly voiced antisemitic ideas, vilinizes Israel, supports behaviors that go against their religious values. Unless he's a complete wacko they will generally throw their vote behind the left candidate. FDR threw them under the bus, and they love him! Now before you resort to name calling, realize I have no issue with the Jews or nation of Israel. My jaw just hits the ground when I see them vote for people that openly take positions that flagrantly go against their value system and essentially put Israel in a weaker position, people that openly make anti Semitic statements, repeatedly.

21 posted on 09/17/2011 11:36:48 AM PDT by Red6
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