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To: TBP
The mandatory injection of Gardasil takes decision making power away from parents;

D00d, I'm not trying to get on your case, but how many times does it need to be said before it sinks in:

IT WAS NEVER MANDATORY. PARENTS COULD OPT OUT.

No "decision making power" was taken away from parents. This has been made clear on this forum time and time again in a gazillion different ways. Yet seemingly intelligent people keep repeating the untruth.

Again I'm not trying to get on you, but I'm earnestly wondering; Why do you people keep repeating this crap?

Serious question.

57 posted on 09/16/2011 9:46:01 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: AAABEST
IT WAS NEVER MANDATORY. PARENTS COULD OPT OUT.

That is correct... the MANDATE was a TAX increase to all who purchased health insurance whether they got the vaccine or NOT. NOW how much $$$$ did Merck invest to get politicians to TAX with out CONSENT of the governed.

58 posted on 09/16/2011 9:49:23 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: AAABEST

It was effectively mandatory, as the opt-out was a difficult, phantom procedure. It wasn’t a real opt-out. How many times does that have to beexplained before people understand it?


60 posted on 09/16/2011 10:17:07 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: AAABEST

It was effectively mandatory, as the opt-out was a difficult, phantom procedure. It wasn’t a real opt-out. How many times does that have to be explained before people understand it?


61 posted on 09/16/2011 10:17:12 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: AAABEST

Gardasil links:

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/09/13/the-right-and-wrong-way-to-talk-about-gardasil/

“Perry’s MANDATE on families and the MANDATE on insurers going over the heads of the state legislature versus the Palin administration’s decision to accept federal subsidies to increase access to those who choose to take it.

“The Perry executive order would have ordered Texas health officials to use federal Medicaid funding to cover the vaccine for young women — a cost that would have been borne by millions of taxpayers outside Texas.”

http://sayno2gardasil.blogspot.com/

“If you don’t know who he is, he’s the Republican governor of Texas who issued an executive order mandating girls be vaccinated that sparked an uproar both from Texas lawmakers who sought to overturn his order, along with parents and medical groups. Perry himself has ties to Merck, and Merck funded $5000 towards his election campaign.”

(Actually, it was $30,000.)

http://www.conservativehq.com/article/why-rick-perrys-gardasil-mandate-matters

“On February 2, 2007, Texas Governor Rick Perry issued an executive order requiring that all girls receive an HPV vaccine prior to admission into the sixth grade.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/02/health/main2427919.shtml

“Bypassing the Legislature, Republican Gov. Rick Perry signed an order Friday making Texas the first state to require that schoolgirls get vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer.

“By issuing an executive order, Perry apparently sidesteps opposition in the Legislature from conservatives and parents’ rights groups who fear such a requirement would condone premarital sex and interfere with the way parents raise their children.

“Beginning in September 2008, girls entering the sixth grade — meaning, generally, girls ages 11 and 12 — will have to get Gardasil, Merck & Co.’s new vaccine against strains of the human papillomavirus, or HPV.

“Texas allows parents to opt out of inoculations by filing an affidavit objecting to the vaccine on religious or philosophical reasons. Even with such provisions, however, conservative groups say such requirements interfere with parents’ rights to make medical decisions for their children.”

Exactly, and the opt-out required a proactive act by parents, when they were often not told of the availability of the opt-out.

And Gardasil isn’t exactly great stuff:

http://www.naturalnews.com/033585_Gardasil_contamination.html

“In seeking answers to why adolescent girls are suffering devastating health damage after being injected with HPV vaccines, SANE Vax, Inc decided to have vials of Gardasil tested in a laboratory. There, they found over a dozen Gardasil vaccine vials to be contaminated with rDNA of the Human Papillomavirus (HPV).”


63 posted on 09/16/2011 10:33:06 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: AAABEST
The opt-out is a hassle. It's the same process one has to use to opt out of any of the mandatory vaccines. File an affidavit with the state (it is possible to seek an exception to a single vaccine, or a selection, or all), objecting to the vaccine on either religious, medical, or conscientious objection grounds; obtain an official exemption certificate from the state; file the official exemption certificate with the school.

To say that Gardasil has an opt-out is like saying the MMR and DPT vaccines have an opt-out. It is exactly the same opt-out in all the vaccines in the "mandatory" schedule.

I've read, but not confirmed that public schools have to accept the exemption certificate, but private schools do not, and many private schools reject applicants who use the exemption instead of medical evidence of vaccination.

FWIW, my opinion of the "opt out" line as making Gardasil "different" from the other mandatory vaccines, is that it is bigtime spin by Perry. Plus, if he really has conviction that Gardasil is such a valuable life saver, then he should stand by his conviction to make it mandatory, of course with the same opt-out that is available for medical, religious, and conscientious objection reasons available for any vaccine.

73 posted on 09/16/2011 11:30:44 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: AAABEST
Reading hocndocs remarks in this thread, and more carefully reading the Texas opt-out procedure, I'd revise my previous remarks. The affidavit issued by the state serves as the exemption certificate. There is no document called "exemption certificate." The parent provides information to the state, and the state issues the affidavit.

The other remarks are accurate. It's the same opt out that would be used to avoid the measles vaccine, or any other. Play this exchange, from the recent debate, with the question being about childhood vaccinations in general. Is it mandatory in Texas, to have your child vaccinated against communicable diseases?

BLITZER: Let's let Governor Perry respond. Was what you signed into law, that vaccine for 11 and 12-year-old girls, was that, as some of your critics have suggested, a mandate?

PERRY: No, sir it wasn't. It was very clear. It had an opt-out. And at the end of the day, this was about trying to stop a cancer and giving the parental option to opt out of that.


83 posted on 09/17/2011 5:39:19 AM PDT by Cboldt
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