Repeal our unfunded health law? No way, says GOP

AP ^ | 9/18/11 | Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar

[Nachum]

WASHINGTON (AP) — It's a massive health care entitlement with unfunded future costs over $7 trillion. Many conservatives are still upset at the way it was rammed through Congress. But when the Republican presidential candidates were asked last week asked if they would repeal the Medicare drug benefit, they said no way. After all, Republicans created it. Republicans want to pull the plug on the health care overhaul they call "Obamacare," but that law is arguably less a deficit driver than the Medicare drug plan they are defending.

[RWGinger]

you asked
‘Have Medicare cots come down? Have they even stopped going up as much?”
You realize that is a separate issue from whether Part D has had a positive effect on Medicare costs.

another fact on part d is that it has resulted in more poorer elderly having access to taking meds which again, reduces the need for medicare medical care.
another fact. the costs of the drugs have come down signicantly. More seniors are taking them but the cost per drug has come down

[BobL]

“I never heard of this. How long has it been around and how widespread is it? It sounds insane and must be stopped. The way to stop it is to write a clear guide for parents and students themselves. They have to be taught to say no to taking such tests and if that is impossible they must be taught how to answer questions.It all seems just creepy.”

To us people that have read Thomas Sowell’s books on education, NOTHING is surprising with this bunch. As a parent, you MUST train your kids to LIE, when telling the truth will get them into much more trouble. That simple. I always told my kids that if they told anyone that they were spanked, they’d be getting a new pair of parents (which could easily be the case)...so they MUST LIE if asked that question, by anyone. Just one example. This depression screening stuff happens because half of the Americans in college today are majoring in psych and they simply need ‘customers’ when they graduate.

[MontaniSemperLiberi]

A simple “No, Medicare costs have continued to skyrocket and the 2003 law cost $53Billion last year” would have sufficed.

[MontaniSemperLiberi]

It’s like being $100K in debt and buying a new boat on sale.

[RWGinger]

Why would I comment on the costs of Medicare when my point was and is about the salutary effect ( borrowing from the NBER) effect Part D has had on medical costs of medicare? I mentioned nothing about the total costs of medicare

if that is the point YOU wish to make you can make it yourself

[New Jersey Realist]

I disapproved of the Bush spending policy. He was not a true conservative. I say get rid of obamascare and the prescription plan. Devise a completely new health reform act that will truly work without taxpayer involvement along the tort reform way. Stop drug companies from spending money on advertisements which add to the cost of drugs. I say overhaul the SS system as well so those under 30 will receive some kind of benefit if they are stuck with payments. Can’t we turn the clock back to 1931? RESET!

[WashingtonSource]

This is disinformation to say the drug benefit costs more than Obamacare. BALONEY!

[MontaniSemperLiberi]

Let us review, shall we?

RWG: for every $1.00 spent on prescriptions with part d save over $2.00 in medicare costs

MSL: ‘Have Medicare cots come down? Have they even stopped going up as much?”

RSG: “Why would I comment on the costs of Medicare when my point was and is about the salutary effect”

If part D has a “salutary effect” one would expect total medicare costs to at least slow their increase if not stop. Despite the study, they haven’t. Medicare costs go up and up.

I have no particular problem with Medicare part D except is is one of many spending increases that the Democrats and Republicans have enacted since 2001 that has driven us under. If we want part D, where are the medicare taxes to support it? If we don’t want to pay for it then why are we doing it?

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

If you’re asking about Teen Screen it’s an outgrowth of the New Freedom Commission, and it’s been hotly contested since its incept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Freedom_Commission_on_Mental_Health

Wiki mentions Allen Jones. He worked for the Penn State OIG and his bosses told him to back off. He refused because it was his job to investigate Pharma Corruption/TMAP. They fired him for stepping on too many of the wrong toes.

Read his report.

http://psychrights.org/Drugs/AllenJonesTMAPJanuary20.pdf

But Mr Jones is going to have the last laugh, because he took it to the Texas AG and They’re taking the ringleaders, Johnson & Johnson, out for a Billion Dollars in Texas State Medicaid fraud.

http://www.pharmalot.com/2011/03/lawsuit-over-jj-risperdal-marketing-can-proceed/

Granted, Risperdal’s not an antidepressant, but it’s all the same Pharma crowd selling all the same scam. The drugs are garbage & so’s the idiot criteria and flat out lies used to sell them.

Here’s your antidepressants.

http://truthman30.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/long-term-ssri-use-could-cause-brain-damage/

That author’s in Ireland. The UK is drowning under a tidal wave of Seroxat which is exactly the same drug sold here as Paxil.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Bump!

And it will be conservatives first.
http://psychquotes.com/

Psychiatry’s Views on Conservatives

“In August 2003, the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) and the National Science Foundation (NSF) announced the results of their $1.2 million taxpayer-funded study. It stated, essentially, that traditionalists are mentally disturbed. Scholars from the Universities of Maryland, California at Berkeley, and Stanford had determined that social conservatives, in particular, suffer from ‘mental rigidity,’ ‘dogmatism,’ and ‘uncertainty avoidance,’ together with associated indicators for mental illness.”
Source: B.K. Eakman, Chronicles, October 2004, pp. 28-29.
“Political conservatism as motivated social cognition” By Jost, John T.; Glaser, Jack; Kruglanski, Arie W.; Sulloway, Frank J. APA Psychological Bulletin, May 2003, Vol 129(3), p 339-375

Any questions on who they want to drug into being silent and obedient? Don’t think they have a different opinion of liberals or anyone who is outspoken or wants to improve society. Read on for more!

[zerosix]

Fortunately for us in the GOP there ARE candidates as well as elected representatives who WILL go forward to repeal this abomination!

[RWGinger]

“If part D has a “salutary effect” one would expect total medicare costs to at least slow their increase if not stop. Despite the study, they haven’t. Medicare costs go up and up.”
First of all I am quoting what a well respected economic think tank reported
It makes sense as drugs are cheaper than medical procedures.
Now consider if you can 2 which have nothing to do with part D; medical costs jave risen for every segment of medical care including private, right? you do know that, right?
and do you agree the number of people on medicare has ben rising rapidly and will continue to rise rapidly for the next 20 years

so IF the number of enrolees on medicare had stayed the same AND the overall costs of medical care at stayed the same then one could suggest that part d might have slowed the overall costs of medicare
but sadly we can’t change reality nor should we ignore it .

btw do you know how much people pay a month for part d and how much they co pay, unless they are poor

[MontaniSemperLiberi]

“First of all I am quoting what a well respected economic think tank reported.”

I don’t disagree that you just mentioned what a “well respected economic think tank reported.” My point is that I don;t find it to be believable. It’s not believable because it has NOT brought down Medicare costs. We are spending an extra $53B per year on part D. If it had a 2:1 effect, one would expect Medicare costs to be $106B less than projected. They aren’t. That is my point.

It costs money and it is adding to the deficit. If it’s a good program (and my father in law loves it) then we should pay for it.