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California schools to turn away children without whooping cough vaccine
Daily Mail ^ | 1:08 AM on 18th September 2011 | By Associated Press

Posted on 09/18/2011 10:40:55 AM PDT by Niuhuru

Some California schools are turning away middle and high school students who have not received a required whooping cough vaccine while others are defying a law passed last year after a historic spike in cases of the potentially fatal disease.

The law approved last September initially required all students entering grades seven through 12 to get vaccinated by the start of the 2011-2012 school year.

Lawmakers passed a 30-day extension this summer as districts worried many students wouldn't meet the deadline.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: antivaccine; antivax; california; disease; districts; dpt; fatal; highschool; law; lawmakers; pertussis; school; students; vaccine; vaccines; whoopingcough
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1 posted on 09/18/2011 10:41:04 AM PDT by Niuhuru
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To: Niuhuru

Racism?


2 posted on 09/18/2011 10:43:39 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: Dallas59

It’s mostly white rich kids in liberal families.


3 posted on 09/18/2011 10:46:04 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Niuhuru

As they should.


4 posted on 09/18/2011 10:47:37 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Rabid democRATS and 0bama the dictator own it all now.)
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To: Niuhuru

Turning away kids because they are not vaccinated could be a good strategy for home-schoolers.


5 posted on 09/18/2011 10:49:15 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Niuhuru

OMG, they are forcing injections upon young children!! This is a clear violation of their individual freedom and liberty!! /s


6 posted on 09/18/2011 10:51:11 AM PDT by Wallop the Cat
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To: Niuhuru

i guess home schooling will be legal in California, anyway


7 posted on 09/18/2011 10:51:48 AM PDT by dangus
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To: TribalPrincess2U

I agree with it too; all it takes is one unvaccinated kid to end up getting sick off of something they picked up and then it not only exposes the other kids, but also ends up setting up the school to be sued by the parent of the sick kid, if the unvaccinated kid gets sick.


8 posted on 09/18/2011 10:52:49 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: grumpygresh

Maybe there should home-hospitals to take care of sick kids raised by dumb parents.


9 posted on 09/18/2011 10:52:49 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: dangus

They had to insist on the shots, it’s the illegals whom are the carriers. They certainly aren’t going to turn them away at the boarders...to many votes don’t you know.


10 posted on 09/18/2011 10:54:46 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: MrShoop

Ah...the only vaccinations then are cocaine and pot.


11 posted on 09/18/2011 10:55:26 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: DAC21

“They had to insist on the shots, it’s the illegals whom are the carriers. They certainly aren’t going to turn them away at the boarders...to many votes don’t you know.”

That’s also why Texas has a very unique problem with HPV.


12 posted on 09/18/2011 10:56:13 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: ari-freedom

I rather agree; vaccines have eradicated these diseases and I have to wonder really about the mentality of parents who don’t want their kids vaccinated from these illnesses. It sounds reckless on teh part of the parents and really, at what point will they learn the value of it? When their kid is in a coffin, is that what it will take?


13 posted on 09/18/2011 10:56:34 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

My son could not play sports without the shots first this summer. Fact is, the children do not need the shots if the parents sign a form they oppose vaccinations.

The illegals get to go to school without the shots by signing a simply form putting all the other children at risk.


14 posted on 09/18/2011 10:57:44 AM PDT by edcoil (The will to win is important, but the will to prepare is vital. -- Joe Paterno)
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To: DAC21

Which means that until the illegals are thrown out we have to vaccinate our kids, if only to protect them from the carriers who cross our borders illegally. That is actually what makes it such a priority.


15 posted on 09/18/2011 10:58:05 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Wallop the Cat

The irony will be lost. Maybe someone will come into this thread and argue California is overstepping it’s bounds.

Yesterday there was an article about a mother dressing up her son in a dress, and nobody said the governemnt should stay out of it because parents have the right to do what they want to their children.


16 posted on 09/18/2011 10:58:17 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Niuhuru
What surprised me was commercials about on TV Whooping cough is contagious, the child sounds terrible, and it can lead to death if I am not mistaken...Its been around since at least the 40's and mandatory since I was a kid (in the 40's) a terrible thing for a kid to get....

Not like it was a new vaccine on the market.

17 posted on 09/18/2011 10:58:40 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: edcoil

Exactly, it’s the illegals putting our kids at risk. I never realized it before, but that is a huge reason that I am supportive of vaccinations. Our kids a precious and need to be protected.


18 posted on 09/18/2011 10:59:21 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

home school!


19 posted on 09/18/2011 10:59:32 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: goat granny

“Not like it was a new vaccine on the market.”

I know, which makes me wonder why parents are objecting so much all of a sudden.


20 posted on 09/18/2011 11:00:37 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

As much as I hate vaccinations and pills, they are necessary evils to hopefully eradicate diseases and ease symptoms of illnesses.

All have side effects but I doubt very few turn them down because of side effects.


21 posted on 09/18/2011 11:02:57 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Rabid democRATS and 0bama the dictator own it all now.)
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To: Niuhuru
Our kids a precious and need to be protected.

Almost word for word what my governor said about wanting body mass indexes of children recorded and tracked in Michigan. Come to think of it, the anti gun crowd uses it too.
22 posted on 09/18/2011 11:04:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

No, they shouldn’t, not if they don’t want to. Let’s assume your children are vaccinated. What harm does it do them then if other children are not? It does no harm. Laws should not force us to vaccinate our children or make them wear rain coats and over shoes, which would fall in the same category. Some children not being vaccinated will not harm the ones who are. Stop the frickin’ nanny state crap.


23 posted on 09/18/2011 11:06:23 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Niuhuru

That’s the way it is in Florida. No Original Blue Immunization Card, no register for school.

That will make a whole new underground forging process for the illegals in Cali. Notice the whooping cough commercials with the Hispanic mom holding the baby?

Pertussis vaccines have been around forever, but I guess not in Mexico.


24 posted on 09/18/2011 11:06:32 AM PDT by poobear (Facts, the TURD in the punchbowl of Liberal thought!)
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To: ari-freedom
That’s also why Texas has a very unique problem with HPV.

Not true. This is not limited to being a Texas or border state problem.

Approximately 20 million Americans are currently infected with HPV. Another 6 million people become newly infected each year. HPV is so common that at least 50% of sexually active men and women get it at some point in their lives.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv.htm

Most people naturally fight off the infection without significant problems. But enough do not that 12,000 per year are diagnosed with Cervical Cancer. This is not a Texas only problem.

Other cancers that can be caused by HPV are less common than cervical cancer. Each year in the U.S., there are about:

•1,500 women who get HPV-associated vulvar cancer
•500 women who get HPV-associated vaginal cancer
•400 men who get HPV-associated penile cancer
•2,700 women and 1,500 men who get HPV-associated anal cancer
•1,500 women and 5,600 men who get HPV-associated oropharyngeal cancers (cancers of the back of throat including base of tongue and tonsils) [Note: Many of these cancers may also be related to tobacco and alcohol use.]

Most states have considered HPV legislation in the past few years. So far only Viriginia and Washington D.C. have required the vaccination but other non-madating legislation has passed a few states.

http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=14381

25 posted on 09/18/2011 11:06:51 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Niuhuru

Some people are against the government just for the sake of being against the government. This vaccine solves a problem and that’s the end of it. It doesn’t create an ever-expanding bureaucracy and cycle of govt dependence.


26 posted on 09/18/2011 11:06:54 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: Niuhuru
I agree with it too; all it takes is one unvaccinated kid to end up getting sick off of something they picked up and then it not only exposes the other kids, but also ends up setting up the school to be sued by the parent of the sick kid, if the unvaccinated kid gets sick.

Do you realize how stupid you sound? How can the child who is not vaccinated infect children who are? It doesn't matter if the other kids are exposed, they won't catch it if they are vaccinated. What ever happened to freedom in this country? Gone with the wind and stupid nanny state people who really shouldn't be on a conservative forum.

27 posted on 09/18/2011 11:09:40 AM PDT by calex59
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To: thackney

It’s not a texas only problem but the problem is more magnified because it is a border state.


28 posted on 09/18/2011 11:09:40 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: thackney
-- This is not limited to being a Texas or border state problem. --

I think the contention being made was that the rate of HPV infection, and resulting rate of cervical cancer, is relatively high in Texas.

Justified and intrusive government action is usually very localized. See typical quarantine, shutdown and (not disease-related, but still intrusive) curfew.

29 posted on 09/18/2011 11:11:11 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: cripplecreek

Flawed analogy.

Bad BMIs are not communicable. If my kid sits next to a fat kid, obesity is not likely to jump on him.

Unlike measles, mumps, polio, whooping cough, etc.


30 posted on 09/18/2011 11:11:49 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Niuhuru

I am wondering why all of a sudden we are hearing about it...I think its because its coming across the border from 3rd world illegals...In decades past, if you were sick and coming in as a legal immigrant, you couldn’t get off Ellis Island if you were sick. You went back home and we had health inspectors to check you...now we let in Legally, even those with Aid’s or any other disease...


31 posted on 09/18/2011 11:12:40 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Niuhuru

Whooping cough is highly contagious and potentially fatal - particularly for youger kids. The vaccine has been around for a long time and is not at all expensive.


32 posted on 09/18/2011 11:13:09 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: ari-freedom

Would you show me a single statistic claiming HPV or cervical cancer is more common in Texas or border states?


33 posted on 09/18/2011 11:13:09 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Niuhuru

Whooping cough is highly contagious and potentially fatal - particularly for youger kids. The vaccine has been around for a long time and is not at all expensive.


34 posted on 09/18/2011 11:13:17 AM PDT by bobjam
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was that the rate of HPV infection, and resulting rate of cervical cancer, is relatively high in Texas.

I would like to see that claim supported.

35 posted on 09/18/2011 11:14:15 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: calex59

Vaccines aren’t 100% effective but herd immunity provides a strong second line of defense.


36 posted on 09/18/2011 11:14:36 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: calex59
-- How can the child who is not vaccinated infect children who are? It doesn't matter if the other kids are exposed, they won't catch it if they are vaccinated. --

The public health calculus is a numbers game - it does not account for individuals. A disease outbreak that hospitalizes 5% of the population for treatment is a BIG DEAL.

I wonder what the rate of vaccination/immunity is, for this one. Researching the Texas laws and public policy, found Texas was at or close to the bottom of the "vaccination rate" contest, with 71% participation.

37 posted on 09/18/2011 11:15:38 AM PDT by Cboldt
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“Exactly, it’s the illegals putting our kids at risk. I never realized it before, but that is a huge reason that I am supportive of vaccinations. Our kids a precious and need to be protected.”

It’s also why I support Perry on vaccinations but not crazy about his attitude towards illegals...


38 posted on 09/18/2011 11:16:15 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: Niuhuru

With all the illegals bringing back diseases long gone in America...IF I lived in Cali..I’d make sure my child if going to a public school had that vaccination.


39 posted on 09/18/2011 11:16:48 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: calex59

No vaccine is 100% effective.

As for freedom, the parents who refuse to take required measures to keep their kid from being a menace to public health have full freedom to educate the child themselves or to pay someone to do it for them.

It is ridiculous to argue that government doesn’t have a role in preserving public health.

Read about the flu epidemic of 1918 or the polio outbreaks prior to development of that vaccine, then count your blessings that everyone doesn’t think like you.


40 posted on 09/18/2011 11:16:58 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah

Apparently nanny state liberalism is contagious because I’m seeing a lot of it around here lately.

Apparently principles are the only vaccination against it.


41 posted on 09/18/2011 11:17:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: ari-freedom

Don’t worry, that’s happening anyways in CA for kids on Medi-CAL. Since doctors are only getting $12 for an office visit with similar abysmally low fees for everything else, doctors are not taking these patients. They can stay home and get a holistic cure or whatever.


42 posted on 09/18/2011 11:18:18 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: thackney

http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/what_cdc_is_doing/qa.htm

How do HPV-associated cancer incidence rates differ by geographic region

During 1998–2003, incidence rates of HPV-associated cancers varied appreciably by state. Rates of cervical cancer, for example, were at least 10.0 per 100,000 women in the District of Columbia, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, West Virginia, Arkansas and Texas; rates were below 7.0 per 100,000 women in Idaho, Massachusetts, Minnesota, and Utah.1

For five states in Appalachia combined (Alabama, Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia), invasive cervical cancer incidence rates were higher in the Appalachian areas than non-Appalachian areas. Rates were also higher in rural compared to urban areas of the states.10

Along the U.S. Mexico border in 1998–2003, invasive cervical cancer incidence rates were twice as high among Hispanic women as non-Hispanic women in border counties. Hispanic women in border states had higher rates compared to Hispanic women in non-border states


43 posted on 09/18/2011 11:19:07 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: ari-freedom

There’s a difference between required vaccinations for easily-communicable diseases like whooping cough and polio, versus shots against a sexually-transmitted disease that is spread by bad behavior.

That’s why Perry got in such trouble over the gardisil issue.


44 posted on 09/18/2011 11:19:57 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: bobjam

Chicken pox and the flu are potentially fatal. Should we be forced to accept vaccines for them too?


45 posted on 09/18/2011 11:21:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Jedidah

Sex is “bad behavior?” Who knew.


46 posted on 09/18/2011 11:22:51 AM PDT by Wallop the Cat
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“versus shots against a sexually-transmitted disease that is spread by bad behavior.”

Say that to all the guilty/not guilty sex-with-the-teacher threads here on FR :/


47 posted on 09/18/2011 11:25:05 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: Dallas59

My kid had a serious reaction to that shot. The doc did not give him more of it.

It is easy to just make up your own shot records and bypass the control freaks. As the left takes more and more control of our lives, Americans will learn to get around it like the Soviets did.


48 posted on 09/18/2011 11:25:13 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: thackney
HPV is the most common sexually transmitted disease in the United States. Today, approximately 20 million people in the nation are infected, including one in four 15 to 24 year olds. Certain strains of HPV cause most cases of cervical cancer. Texas has the second highest number of women suffering from this devastating disease in the nation.
Governor Perry - Feb 2, 2007

No statistics in hand. Doesn't really matter to me, but if a rate of infection is higher in one state, that fact augurs in favor of using state force to compel individuals to act for the common good.

49 posted on 09/18/2011 11:25:27 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: ari-freedom
Thank you.

I also found the following.

Color on Map Interval States
Light green 4.5 to 6.2 Alaska, Idaho, Iowa, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Utah, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming
Medium green 6.3 to 7.5 Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Hawaii, Indiana, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, and Rhode Island
Medium blue 7.6 to 8.4 California, Georgia, Illinois, Michigan, Missouri, Nebraska, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and Tennessee
Dark blue 8.5 to 11.2 Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Texas, and West Virginia
Light Grey Did not meet USCS data quality criteria Nevada
Rates were suppressed* North Dakota and Vermont

While you are correct that Texas is higher than the national average, this is hardly a Texas only or Border State Only issue.

50 posted on 09/18/2011 11:25:39 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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