Posted on 09/18/2011 10:40:55 AM PDT by Niuhuru
If the vaccines are not effective then why give them to your children? Most vaccines are 100% effective. What you are saying doesn’t make sense. If they are not effective then even if the kid sitting next to yours is vaccinated he/she could still catch it(whatever it is)and infect your child. Use your brain. The only reason all of you nanny staters are so upset about people opting out is because you have a lot of liberal in you. You want them to do what you do and you think they should be forced to do so at the point of a gun. An unvaccinated child in no threat to yours if yours is vaccinated. Period.
I never said Texas only. But because it is so high there, they would be expected to take stronger measures than Minnesota or Alaska. A one sized fits all policy of what works in Minnesota won’t work in Texas. This is another excellent example why federalism is so important.
It is part of the 3part vaccine that infants get...Pertussin aka whopping cough was given to me in the 40’s and my children in the 50’s and 60’s starting at 3 months with booster a little later...don’t remember if the booster was at 5 or earlier....but we have lots of illegals crossing the border and in some states illegals are treated differently than citizens...
leave rigid ideology aside and listen to the medical experts.
You're arguing on the efficacy of the thing, but not the principle. If it can be demonstrated that eating Big Macs causes obesity, ought government to ban Big Macs? If smoking is bad for you, ought government to ban smoking? If reading Milton Friedman makes you a bad citizen, ought government to burn Friedman's books?
It’s a big thing in alternative medicine practices.
Use your brain, calex. No vaccine works 100% of the time. They offer a measure of protection, but no vaccine is fool-proof. Particularly against fools who won’t vaccinate their children.
I, too, believe that parents should have control over their children and the issues that affect them. To that end, parents should be able to decide how to educate their kids.
If they choose to send them to public school (or most private schools), then those parents should, obviously, expect to follow the requirements for enrollment.
If they don’t want the kid to dress in a manner deemed appropriate by the school, or follow the rules of conduct expected by the school, or be immunized as required by the school, then the in-charge parent is free to find another way to educate said child.
That’s the American way.
No, you said:
"Texas has a very unique problem with HPV"
Sadly it is not unique, just worse than average. The state with the highest rate of incidence of cervical cancer is not a border state, Oklahoma. The highest region is Washington D.C.
http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/uscs/cancersbystateandregion.aspx,/a>
Holy cow. Looking at that map, I'd say it's an issue of inbreeding!
Okay, just kidding, taking advantage of stereotypes, etc. I know the remark will be offensive to some, I'll take my lumps.
The need for effectiveness of the vaccine is not “when” you are sexually active, but rather the six month long, three dose period completed “before” you are sexually active.
I had my thoughts but thought the better of posting them publicly.
Cheers!
“Sadly it is not unique, just worse than average”
That’s what I meant by unique.
No it's not. It has a bureaucratically easier opt-out than what Perry proposed for HPV vaccination.
All vaccines in Texas are subject to opt-out.
Thanks for clarifying. And I learned something because of your comment so thanks for starting that line of discussion.
The whole point is giving it to children before they have their first sexual contact which, like it or not (and I definitely do not), happens as early as 12-14 for a sizable population of young people.
How is it easier? Perry's EO said the form had to be accepted via the internet. Our Opt out now requires taking a notarized copy to the school.
Frequently Asked Questions:
"Exemption from Immunization for Reasons of Conscience" Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs), Stock # E11-13159, Rev. 08/11
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/immunize/docs/faq_exemption.pdf
Q. What should parents or guardians do with the vaccine exemption affidavit form?
A. After the original vaccine exemption affidavit form is signed and notarized, it must be submitted to the child’s school.
Yes. Stupidity is allowed. There is enough common sense in Texas to compensate for the fools we must tolerate.
No need for a notary, no need for "the can't be counterfeited form" from the state.
(a) Serologic confirmations of immunity to measles, rubella, mumps, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, or varicella, are acceptable. Evidence of measles, rubella, mumps, hepatitis A, or hepatitis B, or varicella illnesses must consist of a valid laboratory report that indicates confirmation of either immunity or infection. (b) A written statement from a parent (or legal guardian or managing conservator), school nurse, or physician attesting to a child's positive history of varicella disease (chickenpox), or of varicella immunity, is acceptable in lieu of a vaccine record for that disease.
No, Perry did not say the form had to be accepted via internet. You may have inferred that from context, but it is not what he said. The EO said that APPLICATION for the form had to be made available via the internet. The HPV opt-out would still require taking a notarized copy of the state-proved form to the school.
That is not an opt out. That is to provide wriiten documentation that you already had that particular disease (and lived) so you are now immune.
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