Reno Race Accident Investigation Continues

Aero News Network ^ | Mon, Sep 19, 2011 | staff

[Robe]

I’m not implying anything, just reporting on info from another site ..
And Yes It could be a helmet, as I mentioned in reply #111

[taildragger]

It’s not worth it... Uncle...

[RVN Airplane Driver]

I call bull shit....if you could see the smirk on the pilots face you damn sure could have seen the N number on the airplane. I don’t know if you are a pointer or a squatter but if you are a pointer you need to grow a couple of balls. I suspect you are a squatter from your posts on this thread....and you are frankly a pain in the azz...I don’t know what your agenda is...but I suspect you are a failure at whatever it is your wanted to be.... Being civil to idiots has never been one of my strong points so listen up: STFU about shitte you know nothing about and go find a Bachmann thread to have a love fest with!

[I cannot think of a name]

“There's an attitude about a lot of hobby craft pilots that is most unpleasant and this might be a good time to address it.”

Gee I'm glad I don't move in your circle of friends. I've been in aviation since 1967, and the percentage of buttheads amongst the pilots I know is about one tenth the percentage in the general population. And as far as the incident you mentioned, I suggest some type kind of serious eye examination is in order. I could read an N number a lot sooner than I could see the expression on a pilots face.

[mad_as_he$$]

Just listened to an interview on local radio with another Unlimited pilot named Jackson. He stated clearly that the tab left the aircraft which pitched it upward in an 8-9g roll - positive g’s. The question about the pictures I think he answered with this. In a P-51 that latch that holds the tail wheel assembly up breaks at 7-8g’s allowing the wheel to come out. He also stated with no equivocation that the pilot was passed out with his head forced into the instrument panel. That explains the shot where the pilot is not visible in the cockpit and the odd picture that shows what looks like the helmet pressed against the panel. He did not answer why the plane seemed to try and pull out of the dive at the last minute. I went back to two witnesses this afternoon and they both said the tailwheel was absolutely out upon impact. One said it struck him as odd - and then he added “I should of been running instead of thinking about the wheel.”

As far as the one picture with clouds and the plane diving in. That is looking to the West(or so) and at 4:30pm the Sun should of been more over. The base picture looks to me like it was taken in the morning - that would match the way the weather was in the am. I about 6 miles away from the crash at the time (at the Bonanza for those locals) and it was clear and sunny. I drove to RNO picked a vip up and drove back to the Air Races. It was clear and sunny the whole way.

[I cannot think of a name]

Thanks a lot for the info. The clear picture is starting to emerge.

I have to say, that picture at post 103 still concerns me. I realize that seeing the pylons and other aircraft must be difficult - but look at the posture the pilot is in. An unexpected, sudden 8g pull up would really slam him backwards. I don't see the large padded headrest I would expect behind him.

Someone in this thread was talking about 10g’s in a military. That's one thing the fighter aircraft designers work on pretty hard - cockpit ergonomics's. The position you are in has a lot to do with the gs you can withstand.

[mad_as_he$$]

and a G suit.

[LifePath]

RVN and all others replying to Mamzelle:

You would be correct to assume you are wasting your time trying to reason with Mamzelle. She and I went at it a couple of years ago over the topic of whether astronauts were worthy of admiration.

Mamzelle is a bitter female who hates manly men. She hates pilots/astronauts passionately. Probably had a bad experience - who knows? She favors the metrosexual type, because they curl up into the fetal position, under the bed with her.

[Mamzelle]

I didn't see his face, I only *felt* the smirk. I even suspect I know who was flying. And yes, I am near-sighted without my glasses, which I must use to drive.

[Mamzelle]

See post 149. I was waxing metaphorical about the smirk, but I suppose a metaphor is lost on a butthead.

re: Being civil to idiots has never been one of my strong points so listen up: STFU about shitte you know nothing about and go find a Bachmann thread to have a love fest with!)))

I won't ever STFU about anything. So, now what?

[Mamzelle]

Well, hello. Yeah, arrogant pilots tick me off and arrogant astronauts--only there are no more astronauts, are there, thanks to Bolden--most of all.

And this speculation about my personal life doesn't do anything but amuse.

What hobby pilots need to realize is that you may adore yourselves, and rhapsodize about your dream of flight as if it's the first time anyone has ever heard such a thing said--lots of folks out there don't have a similar appreciation for your doggone wonderfulness.

Now a pilot ego has killed a lot of people, and the horrific injuries that the survivors will suffer are a chance for a come-to-Jesus moment if you expect to salvage the "sport"--

[Mamzelle]

BTW—what are pointers an squatters?

[mad_as_he$$]

U R an idiot.

[cynwoody]

That Photo has been photo-shopped ... If you enlarge the image have a look at the spinner .. you can see a horizon line which is in-line with the fuselage, it should be perpendicular to the line of flight

It turns out to have been taken (and vouched for) by Tim O'Brien a reporter for TheUnion.com and long-time air-show photographer. O'Brien also took the shot showing the tail damage, which will probably turn out to be the most valuable piece of photographic evidence.

[Mamzelle]

I don't know what pointer-squatter means, although I was interested enough to look it up. Does it have something to do with survivalist living?

http://www.pc.gc.ca/pn-np/on/pelee/natcul/natcul2/2.aspx

[RVN Airplane Driver]

I won't ever STFU about anything. So, now what?

would responding that I think you are a ignorant "charlie, uniform, november, tango...how does that work for you? How about labeling you as a man hater that has to sneak up on a mirror? Try on the mantle of being stupid as the third squirt of goose feces...don't tax my memories of wenches like you betch...and finally...remember feck with the bull and get the horn!

[Mamzelle]

LOL. Best you can do, papa uniform sierrasierra yankee?

And what do pointer-squatters have to do with anything?

[RVN Airplane Driver]

BTW—what are pointers an squatters? My thinking is that only faggots or someone who is detached from reality couldn't figure that out......

[Mamzelle]

Just idle curiosity. When I look it up in context of squatters/pilots, it just leads to the mundane definition of those attempting to occupy property that doesn't belong to them, which I often think of pilots themselves who putter around over my property. (yeah, yeah, you own it). Pointers would be those people who flash laser lights into pilots eyes? A few pilots have caught the glint of my binoculars, but I don't point lasers at them. They might panic and crash on my land.

[BunnySlippers]

The plane that crashed in PA on 9/11 [sorry, can’t remember the number also disintegrated without a fire

... didn’t it?