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Secret recordings raise new questions in ATF 'Gunwalker' operation
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Posted on 09/19/2011 10:36:44 AM PDT by sunmars

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To: sunmars
I'm amazed CBS is actually digging deep.

CBS isn't doing the digging.

They're getting their material via leaks from the Issa Committee.

Intentional leaks, I might add. And Issa is managing the situation masterfully.

He's gotten a major media outlet's interest...and he's feeding their newly found hunger, a crumb at a time.

It's also a clear sign that the MSM (at least CBS) has washed their hands of Obama...

61 posted on 09/19/2011 3:17:40 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

It is way down on the right under a Turkey headline.How long has it been there? Link works good for me. How long has it been there?


62 posted on 09/19/2011 3:19:33 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Cash for clunkers, subsidies - none has worked. The left =one-trick pony on the economy $pend)
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To: Dogbert41
How difficult and expensive would it have been for our government to imbed these technical spying devices [GPS]inside wooden AK stocks, or inside an AR15 plastic buttstock? Not very...

There was never any intention of "tracking" the weapons.

This is demonstrated by the fact there was no budget for any tracking devices. An individual ATF agent recognized this shortcoming...and bought two GPS systems out of his own pocket at Radio Shack!

Unfortunately, the batteries on both systems failed before the weapons crossed the border.

But doesn't that make it obvious that "tracking" the weapons wasn't the point of the program?

So, what might've been the real point? Undermining the 2nd Amendment??? Which happens to be precisely what the administration's initial propaganda was designed to do...

Make no mistake: "Fast & Furious" was a direct attack on the Constitution.

63 posted on 09/19/2011 3:25:07 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: sunmars

Amazing!! Is Obama HUSSEIN intentionally arming the Mexican Drug Cartels?? Are the Cartels blackmailing him? They sure have alot of material they can use for that purpose! The Democrats say they are fighting to keep the Border from being closed because of the “POOR MEXICANS JUST SEARCHING for a better life!” But this FAST and FURIOUS demonstrates their real reason for the open, unpatrolled Borders! That being to assure ample low cost drug supplies to be moved across the Border and right to the Inner Cities where it is sold and no doubt loads of those profiits go into the Pockets of that Party’s Leaders and Leeches....:-(!!


64 posted on 09/19/2011 3:28:29 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: Dogbert41
because it's about DESTROYING THE SECOND AMENDMENT nothing more...
65 posted on 09/19/2011 3:29:14 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: sunmars; All

These are not the tapes, but it is a real interview with real ATF agents.

http://www.wb-law.com/?powerpress_pinw=917-podcast

KFNX Interview with two ATF agents speaking in depth about the “Fast and Furious” operation.


66 posted on 09/19/2011 3:54:25 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: sunmars

These are not the tapes, but it is a real interview with real ATF agents.

http://www.wb-law.com/?powerpress_pinw=917-podcast

KFNX Interview with two ATF agents speaking in depth about the “Fast and Furious” operation.


67 posted on 09/19/2011 3:57:33 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: sunmars
Agent MacAllister and Howard (the gun dealer) also discuss various Republicans and Democrats in Congress who are investigating Fast and Furious. They express concern that whistleblower ATF special agent John Dodson has further evidence that could be damaging to the government.

This part of the discussion wasn't part of the audio heard at the CBS website. Where can we hear this portion?

68 posted on 09/19/2011 3:58:08 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (The Overseer shall promulgate rules for party conduct)
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To: sgfan1212
I think they think Obama is now a liability to them and they may turn on him and support Hilary

Check out Operation Castaway. No way Hillary was not involved in that one. The whole administration is up to their eyebrows in this.

69 posted on 09/19/2011 4:57:49 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: M Kehoe
See B S? Ut oh, something is just not right. LA Times, Pittsburgh R&T, even the St. Pete Times (Pravda west), have ran stories. Many others (Fox, Tampa Trib, etc.), have also run stories on Fast & Furious, Gunwalker, etc.. This could be the beginning of the democRAT party throwing 0bama under the bus, that he enjoys throwing others under.

They created a monster.

Now they have to take it down, but they are walking softly because they are afraid of it.

70 posted on 09/19/2011 5:01:57 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: M Kehoe; cake_crumb

CBS actually were the first ones to broadcast the story from Mike Vanderboegh and David Codrea long before anyone else picked it up. I think there might be a little professional jealusy going there because of Immelt and MSNBC’s cozy relationship with this admin.
Then again, there just might be someone left at CBS who actually cares about this country.


71 posted on 09/19/2011 5:39:18 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: ctdonath2

Hillary is neck deep in this from the jump.


72 posted on 09/19/2011 5:40:56 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

That’s okay, kiddo. If it wasn’t for you, I would have missed a few, I am sure. I try to catch them all, but if no one pings me, it’s tough sometimes...so I appreciate it. There is sure no need to apologize. I am grateful.


73 posted on 09/19/2011 5:46:21 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: USS Alaska
They probably are correct in their estimation that the Independent/Moderate/Limp Wrist/P-Whipped/Milquetoast will vote for Hillary especially after the MSM get through making the Republican candidate appear to be the spawn of Satan or Satan incarnate. One hatchet job for the fat bottom lady, coming up.
74 posted on 09/19/2011 5:57:36 PM PDT by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: jazusamo

They gotta maintain some resemblance of honesty and integrity when everything they have done in the recent past says otherwise.


75 posted on 09/19/2011 6:21:47 PM PDT by RasterMaster ("To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: sunmars

Adding this story to the mix.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_18924755


76 posted on 09/19/2011 8:33:10 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: sunmars
Second article from CBS News' Sharyl Attkisson, who has been covering this scandal since early this year.

ATF Fast and Furious Secret Audio Recordings

excerpt:

Dealer: Question: do your people have any confidence that you can forestall subpoena? Or is it still up in the air?

Agent: No, my understanding is person, the only people that can request a congressional hearing has to be a majority party. Grassley is a Republican.

Dealer: I know.

Agent: And as of right now...

Dealer: In the Senate right.

Agent: Yeh. And as of right now we don't have any interest from anybody in the majority party to the extent that he's shown interest. So even if you wanted to at this point unless he gets CUTS OUT somebody from the majority party to jump on board, he can't...


Now we all know that Grassley could not cut one Democrat interested in finding the truth out from the herd. Gets hard to explain, if anyone bothers to ask them to explain it.
77 posted on 09/20/2011 4:47:39 AM PDT by publiusF27
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To: ponygirl

That’s exactly my take on this whole scandal. I remember Obama talking about how guns from the US were being used in crimes in Mexico, and I was really getting prepared to hear Obama come out and demand more gun regulations aimed at preventing this...

I think Obama misjudged how much power he really had and as soon as he opened his mouth about the dealers and guns going into Mexico that alerted many of those who were in the operation itself that things were NOT as they seemed to be - that the outcome from this operation had nothing to do with the goals they were told about (that those involved were most likely lied to by those who brainstormed the whole thing).

Too many people knew too many different parts, and there’s no way Obama and his “friends” could control all of it... He backed off talking about gun control pretty quickly, IIRC.


78 posted on 09/20/2011 5:18:36 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Dogbert41

I could understand letting guns “walk” into Mexico. But what I didn’t understand is why they weren’t bugged with GPS so that when they got to the cartels, we couldn’t drop some 1,000 pound bombs on them, or follow the when they were being brought back across the border!

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That would not serve the actual ultimate goal of this project, i.e., disarming the American populace. The reports of all of the American guns turning up in the Mexican drug war was supposed to make Americans scream at their representatives about the need to restrict the sale of guns.


79 posted on 09/20/2011 6:06:02 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Another Maryland girl for Palin in 2012)
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To: sunmars

This whole program was designed to recover American sold guns to further the Government attempts to ban guns completely.

It backfired and now heads must roll. Find these people and stamp on them like cockroaches!


80 posted on 09/20/2011 6:26:24 AM PDT by Evergolightly (One's conclusions are founded in the path travelled.)
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