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Obama's Postal Service plan would cut Saturday mail
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Posted on 09/19/2011 12:33:59 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Obama's Postal Service plan would cut Saturday mail By Emily Stephenson 15 mins ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Obama administration's plan to rescue the U.S. Postal Service would allow the agency to end Saturday mail delivery and sell non-postal products, according to documents released on Monday.

The plan, introduced alongside a deficit-reduction package, also would restructure a massive annual payment to prefund retiree health benefits and refund $6.9 billion the mail carrier says it overpaid into a federal retirement fund.

The White House says its plan would save the Postal Service more than $20 billion in the next few years.

"The administration recognizes the enormous value of the U.S. Postal Service to the nation's commerce and communications, as well as the urgent need for reform to ensure its future viability," the White House document said.

The Postal Service has watched its core business of delivering mail erode as consumers send email and pay bills online. The agency has said it needs to downsize drastically or it will be unable to deliver mail by the end of next summer.

The agency has said it needs to reduce payrolls by about 220,000 by 2015 and is studying thousands of post offices and about 300 processing facilities for possible closure.

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KEYWORDS: postal; postalservice; postoffice; usmail; usps
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1 posted on 09/19/2011 12:34:04 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Maybe the rich should have to buy $3,200 stamps?


2 posted on 09/19/2011 12:35:42 PM PDT by PDMiller
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To: Sub-Driver

What an original idea! No wonder the press calls him brilliant!


3 posted on 09/19/2011 12:36:21 PM PDT by notaliberal
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To: Sub-Driver

I say shut her down


4 posted on 09/19/2011 12:37:08 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Sub-Driver
I'd be willing to give up Saturday mail, IF

Entitlement for lazy bums is cut

Illegal 'immigrants' are deported

The crazy EPA rules, such as "cost must not be a factor when determining policy" are removed.

The corporate tax is cut from 37% to perhaps 10-12%

What else?

5 posted on 09/19/2011 12:37:52 PM PDT by NakedRampage (Fortis cadere, cedere non potest (A brave man may fall, but he cannot yield))
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To: Sub-Driver

So, more people will want a PO box. Wait til they find out what the annual box rent is up to.


6 posted on 09/19/2011 12:37:52 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Sub-Driver

They need to make a more drastic reduction of mail delivery than simply eliminating Saturday delivery.

How about reducing delivery to just one or two days per week?


7 posted on 09/19/2011 12:39:33 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Sub-Driver
Where's the plan in that. We've been saying no Saturdays for a year at least. Cut the work force...by the same amount that intake has shrunk.

BTW...It's the damn salaries and pensions and other benefits that are killing us.

8 posted on 09/19/2011 12:42:28 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: NakedRampage

What can the USPS do today that cannot be done via the Internet?

The USPS is obsolete and is of no use to a modern society.


9 posted on 09/19/2011 12:42:36 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Sub-Driver

How about we cut most of the staff in half, and give half the country M/W/F service, and the other half T/Th/S. If an extra day or two matters in delivery, you’re probably already not using USPS anyway.

Then cut out all mail that isn’t specifically addressed to the recipient, and the carriers wouldn’t have to lug so much around and the processors wouldn’t have so much to run through th emachines. That way, bulk of the extra day’s letters would would be offset by removing the 2/3 or so that is junk now.


10 posted on 09/19/2011 12:43:02 PM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: Sub-Driver

I don’t use the post office much, but when I do, it’s on a Saturday. The only other interaction I have with the postal service is me collecting a pile of garbage from the mailbox.

This will take postal service for me from marginally useful to not useful. Eliminate Saturdays and I’m good with them going out entirely .


11 posted on 09/19/2011 12:43:02 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: Sub-Driver

why not allow other companies to compete with the post office so that we can get our mail?


12 posted on 09/19/2011 12:43:13 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: Sub-Driver

You know the thing is that small packages being sent are probably one of the biggest paying item the post office handles.So if they cut a day of delivery then someone wanting their package sooner will likely choose another method of delivery meaning the PO will lose even more business.Kind of cutting your nose off to spite your face. IMHO less employees doing ore work and a cut to benefits would be the way to go rather than reduced services.


13 posted on 09/19/2011 12:43:33 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Sub-Driver

You know the thing is that small packages being sent are probably one of the biggest paying item the post office handles.So if they cut a day of delivery then someone wanting their package sooner will likely choose another method of delivery meaning the PO will lose even more business.Kind of cutting your nose off to spite your face. IMHO less employees doing more work and a cut to benefits would be the way to go rather than reduced services.


14 posted on 09/19/2011 12:43:49 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: trumandogz

How about makeing the a holes work harder for less pay and benefits


15 posted on 09/19/2011 12:43:49 PM PDT by al baby (Is that old windbag still on the air ?)
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To: Sub-Driver
Mail business started to erode when we got telephones.

Then we got TV and Newspapers and Magazines started to erode.

And does anyone buy 45 records anymore??

The world changes. For the postal service to remain the same for the last 60 years is ridiculous.

16 posted on 09/19/2011 12:46:09 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: trumandogz

Great to cut services, but what if you have to mail something that needs to be there, with delivery confirmation ASAP? Or vital documents that HAVE to be in your mailbox by date “x”? As with everything the government touches it turns to crap. No reason why postal workers “need” to be unionized. Not like the government would ever actually fire some incompetent fool.


17 posted on 09/19/2011 12:47:21 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: Sub-Driver

We use a PO Box and only check it 2-3 times a week. Hardly ever on Saturdays. They could also get rid of all the junk mail and cut staff that has to handle this junk.


18 posted on 09/19/2011 12:49:59 PM PDT by RC2
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To: chrisser

[ How about we cut most of the staff in half, and give half the country M/W/F service, and the other half T/Th/S. If an extra day or two matters in delivery, you’re probably already not using USPS anyway.

Then cut out all mail that isn’t specifically addressed to the recipient, and the carriers wouldn’t have to lug so much around and the processors wouldn’t have so much to run through th emachines. That way, bulk of the extra day’s letters would would be offset by removing the 2/3 or so that is junk now. ]

Keep junk mail, but increase rates on junk mail, Junk mail should pay for itself. I like this idea, but maybe start by doing this only for residential deliveries and if it works then, do for business.


19 posted on 09/19/2011 12:50:33 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: al baby

“How about makeing the a holes work harder for less pay and benefits”

Those a holes are doing a job that is obsolete and the entire USPS should be phased out.


20 posted on 09/19/2011 12:50:55 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: chrisser

That 2/3 of the mail comes to them all presorted, requiring minimal handling. In fact, “junk” mail is the only thing holding the cost of 1st Class postage down to where it now is.


21 posted on 09/19/2011 12:51:47 PM PDT by pingman (Durn tootin'; I like Glock shootin'!)
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To: ari-freedom

[ why not allow other companies to compete with the post office so that we can get our mail? ]

Yeah, or move the ownership to the states and they can effectively deal with it.


22 posted on 09/19/2011 12:51:56 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: tsowellfan

At minimum, a major restructuring.

Maybe people don’t need Saturday delivery. Maybe a PO box at the post office for everyone — no home deliveries or pickup. Don’t the rural areas do this?

Something that might be painful for me but I might get used to it.

Probably long lines and how close would the post office be and larger facilities would be necessary? Never mind.


23 posted on 09/19/2011 12:52:07 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Sub-Driver

Didn’t the scandal come out sometime ago that US Postal Office paid some workers to be idle?

Imagine that, being paid not to do actual work in order to save (company) money. What a gig. Why would any honest/decent person derive self-satisfaction being one of those workers?

Just like any gubmint waste, the deadwood would never be trimmed, the solution has always been to have the rest to ‘share sacrifices’.


24 posted on 09/19/2011 12:52:12 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Privatize it and put it up for auction.

It can sink or swim.


25 posted on 09/19/2011 12:55:00 PM PDT by MrNJ
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To: Sub-Driver

you wouldn’t believe some of the things i’ve seen postal workers do.


26 posted on 09/19/2011 12:55:22 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: pingman

[ That 2/3 of the mail comes to them all presorted, requiring minimal handling. In fact, “junk” mail is the only thing holding the cost of 1st Class postage down to where it now is. ]

Advertising is nice, but libs don’t like it.


27 posted on 09/19/2011 12:55:22 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: boop

“Great to cut services, but what if you have to mail something that needs to be there, with delivery confirmation ASAP?”

Funny you should mention that as just the other day I was at the library looking through the card catalogue when I found a book that claimed that one day most Americans would have access to something called Electronic Mail.

Apparently, all one would need to do is to buy a computer machine and from there they could type a letter push a button and that letter would be delivered across the country in a matter of seconds!

I know it all sounds a bit far fetched and it may not be available to you and I, but perhaps our great grand children would have one of them electronic mail machines.


28 posted on 09/19/2011 12:57:53 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: al baby
How about makeing the a holes work harder for less pay and benefits.

Do you mean treat them like those of us in the private sector?

You're a heartless bast*rd, aren't you? :->

29 posted on 09/19/2011 1:02:20 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Cutting Saturday delivery won’t fix anything.

How about 2 day per week service and eliminating the USPS exclusive right to handle letter mail, so that for-profit companies can provide this service?

They’re going to have to reduce the number of workers by much more in order to come anywhere close to creating a viable operation, and they know it.


30 posted on 09/19/2011 1:03:28 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Vigilanteman

Why thank you


31 posted on 09/19/2011 1:07:32 PM PDT by al baby (Is that old windbag still on the air ?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Think how much $$$ could be saved if delivery occured every other day.

Some would get there mail Monday, Wed. & Friday. Others on Tues. Thurs. & Sat.

THE USPS would need half as many delivery workers, vehicles & gas.


32 posted on 09/19/2011 1:07:45 PM PDT by proudpapa (Palin-West - 2012)
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To: trumandogz

The people who will be really unhappy with these changes are the bulk mailers who stuff your mailbox with taxpayer subsidized garbage every day. And they are about to show their displeasure with K Street lobbyists. I would not hold my breath waiting for these changes to take place.


33 posted on 09/19/2011 1:10:55 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: al baby

“How about makeing the a holes work harder for less pay and benefits”

how about paying them less if they work less and pay them more if they do a really great job? Just like they do in the real world.


34 posted on 09/19/2011 1:15:14 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: trumandogz

“I know it all sounds a bit far fetched and it may not be available to you and I, but perhaps our great grand children would have one of them electronic mail machines.”

only if the USPS had competition. They’d rather have cuts in service for everyone instead of allowing competitors to bother them.


35 posted on 09/19/2011 1:18:18 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: Sub-Driver

SHUT DOWN PUBLIC SERVICE UNIONS... NOT THE USPS!

LLS


36 posted on 09/19/2011 1:19:21 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Is the person that you support a Crony Capitalist... A.K.A. CRAPITALIST?)
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To: ari-freedom

Sorry, but I doubt anyone is going to start a business where they will hand deliver a letter from Miami, Florida to Anchorage, Alaska for forty four cents.


37 posted on 09/19/2011 1:26:24 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: chris_bdba

Small packages are indeed the lifeblood of USPS revenue. Without eEbay and Amazon there would be no more Postal Service. The USPS lock on PO boxes and mail boxes keeps Fedex Ground and UPS from being more competitive on the smaller packages. There is no financially viable future in delivering 1st class letters and junk mail and the USPS will never be competitive in delivering heavier packages (over 5 lbs). It’s time to let the chips fall where they may.


38 posted on 09/19/2011 1:26:47 PM PDT by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: boop

It’s called FedEx.


39 posted on 09/19/2011 1:29:16 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: al baby

Please, some of those “aholes” are fellow freepers, and they do work hard.


40 posted on 09/19/2011 1:29:47 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette (Proud Clinton-hater since 1998.)
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To: trumandogz
What can the USPS do today that cannot be done via the Internet?

The USPS is obsolete and is of no use to a modern society.

Other than things like birthday and Christmas cards, the mail is of no use.

UPS and FedEx do a far better job delivering packages and they do it at the same price or less.

I get just about all of my bills emailed as it is.

41 posted on 09/19/2011 1:30:26 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: chrisser

Now there’s an idea I like!


42 posted on 09/19/2011 1:31:59 PM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: trumandogz
"What can the USPS do today that cannot be done via the Internet?"

You can't e-mail a physical object.

43 posted on 09/19/2011 1:57:52 PM PDT by PerryBachmann2012
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To: trumandogz

“What can the USPS do today that cannot be done via the Internet?”

Mail my wife shoes she buys.

Deliver to rural areas that are not covered by UPS or FedEx.


44 posted on 09/19/2011 1:59:52 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: tsowellfan

The Post office was established in the Constitution (Article I, Section 8). I believe it would take an amendment to the Constitution to get rid of it.

This is what I remember from my 1949 Civics 101 class.


45 posted on 09/19/2011 2:02:09 PM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 81+)
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To: trumandogz

-——What can the USPS do today that cannot be done via the Internet?——

Deliver a check from my client that lacks the will to learn how to transmit money electronically.


46 posted on 09/19/2011 2:05:33 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: Sub-Driver

Saturday is exactly the wrong day to cut. Think about weeks with a Monday holiday. The mail will not move for three days at least — and we know how fast things move after a long weekend.

If they have to cut a day, let it be Wednesday. No one would even notice.


47 posted on 09/19/2011 2:06:40 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Wow, I wonder if Barack thought of this all by himself?
F U B O
48 posted on 09/19/2011 2:14:12 PM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao << >> with a floating, shifting, ever changing)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I wonder how much money that would be saved if junk mail was eliminated or if not, make them pay full price like everyone else. This is especially so for companies like Advo and Red Plum that litter our mailboxes with trash couple times each week. In fact for the newspaper trash that gets put in, they should be required to be in envelopes it is easy to toss and not have to look through to see if you have important mail in the pile !

> The people who will be really unhappy with these changes are the bulk mailers who stuff your mailbox with taxpayer subsidized garbage every day.


49 posted on 09/19/2011 2:20:33 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: willibeaux

“The Post office was established in the Constitution (Article I, Section 8). I believe it would take an amendment to the Constitution to get rid of it.”

Yup.

http://www.house.gov/house/Constitution/Constitution.html


50 posted on 09/19/2011 2:20:53 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ((Most leftism can be traced to childhood birthday trauma))
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