The Texas Murder That Shook America: James Byrd’s Condemned Killer Speaks Out

To: csense; Tex-Con-Man

They have forgiven the killers and want their lives spared. The survivors are actually remarkable people.

They're remarkable in the sense that they're idiots who haven't the slightest idea what the Christian concept of forgiveness actually requires.

41 posted on 09/21/2011 12:57:05 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)

42 posted on 09/22/2011 12:20:50 AM PDT by csense

Care to explain?

Sure. This murderer hasn't asked for forgiveness, nor has he repented his evil. Therefor forgiving him is a decidedly un-Christian thing to do.

43 posted on 09/22/2011 6:08:24 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)

Sure. This murderer hasn't asked for forgiveness, nor has he repented his evil. Therefor forgiving him is a decidedly un-Christian thing to do.

That's incorrect. Here is the scripture.

Luke 23:34 - "Father, Forgive them for they know not what they do." - They had not repented...but Jesus was forgiving and was asking God's forgiveness for them.

Matthew 6:12 - "We forgive our debtors" - NO mention of their actions.

Matthew 18:21, 22 (para) - "How often shall I forgive...70x7"

Forgiveness is not about reconciliation between you and that person. Forgiveness is about you trusting God and understanding you have a debt to God that cannot be repaid. We have all broken God's divine laws and He by His grace has forgiven us. That GRACE being something we did not deserve, yet obtained. How can we deny forgiveness, grace, to fellow man, equally flawed?

Denying forgiveness, or offering forgiveness with conditions places you in the place of God...A place you are not meant to be. This is why Jesus said in Matthew 6:15 that if you do not Forgive men their sin against you (their repentence or lack thereof is not mentioned), you will not be forgiven. Why? Because, simply put, you are placing youself in the position of God as judge and jury.

44 posted on 09/22/2011 6:37:41 AM PDT by NELSON111

Your scripture is incorrectly applied. Jesus forgave them because they were ignorant. This scumbag doesn't have that defense.

Luke 17:3, emphasis added: "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.

This man most emphatically did NOT repent. Therefore no forgiveness is owed and none should be given.

Denying forgiveness, or offering forgiveness with conditions places you in the place of God...

Bullcrap. You're the one who's ignoring God by taking only what you want to from the Bible and ignoring the plain text.

Go back and read Matthew 18 all the way through

Forgiveness is only required after true repentance. Anything else only encourages evil.

45 posted on 09/22/2011 7:22:32 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)

And what do you do when you have two people who each have a claim against the other, and neither one is willing to apologize until first the other does.

Should each stand fast, or should one step forward...

46 posted on 09/23/2011 1:46:57 AM PDT by csense

That’s a hypothetical question which has absolutely no bearing on what we’re discussing here.

47 posted on 09/23/2011 5:03:31 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)

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