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Neil Armstrong says US Space Program 'Embarrassing'
Space Travel ^ | September 22, 2011 | Staff Writers

Posted on 09/22/2011 9:06:34 PM PDT by lbryce

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To: lbryce
With all due respect to Mr. Armstrong, I think the U.S. space program needs a complete philosophical overhaul. We need to figure out what exactly "space exploration" is supposed to be for us, what it is supposed to accomplish, how much it will cost, and how we'll get a return on our investment.

Much of what NASA has done over the years has been an enormous waste of time and resources. It may very well be the case that two of the key items mentioned in this article -- lunar exploration and the space shuttle -- are among them (recognizing, of course, that hindsight is 20/20).

41 posted on 09/23/2011 3:28:34 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Nowhere Man
BTW, i think the private venture, Space-X, might have a Dragon vehicle ready to go in November to resupply the space station if need be IIRC.

I expect that there will need to be a flight or 2 of the "Dragon" before it will be certified to rendezvous with & dock with the ISS.

42 posted on 09/23/2011 3:33:39 AM PDT by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: BenKenobi

You make a good point there, but as a follow-up to my last post I would suggest that human activity in space in recent decades has been limited to low-earth orbit because that’s the type of “space exploration” that represents the best opportunities for useful investment of resources. Just think of how much we’ve come to rely on things that wouldn’t work without having an extensive array of satellites in that region.


43 posted on 09/23/2011 3:33:50 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Soothesayer9

If you really believe that all we got out of the moon program was a bunch of rocks you are sadly mistaken. The Return on Investment was enormous.

What returns are we getting out of pumping BILLIONS into EBT cards?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o64Fz-KW1Dk


44 posted on 09/23/2011 4:07:42 AM PDT by greenhornet68
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To: lbryce

Elections MATTER.

America chose its own destruction, not SPACE.

America chose slavery of its children for the 57 States of
the undocumented Imam Barak Hussein, and not SCIENCE.

The Imam has said NASA must die in the desert
teaching Moslem how to blow up Western technology in orbit,
and the money? well, that is for more Mosques.


45 posted on 09/23/2011 4:45:57 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: icanhasbailout
I had forgotten all about that Muslim outreach nonsense.

How absurd that such a thought even entered into a President's mind as part of NASA much less made it into writing as one of NASA's goals.

46 posted on 09/23/2011 5:26:33 AM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: El Gato
Then there was Apollo 9, with the reading from Genesis from Lunar Orbit on Christmas Eve.

Slight correction. That was Apollo 8 in December of 1968. A very daring and inspiring achievement. Apollo 9 was in March, 1969, and was historic as it was the first manned test of the lunar module.

47 posted on 09/23/2011 5:38:08 AM PDT by chimera
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To: lbryce
Under the last few Presidents, NASA has become basically a space pork program designed to keep the politicians from Florida, Texas, and Utah happily snuffling at the trough, without respect to whether the agency actually gets anything done.

I see no hope for American space travel unless it comes from the private sector.

48 posted on 09/23/2011 6:01:28 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Nothing will cure the economy but debt deleveraging, deregulation, and time.)
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To: Soothesayer9

So you know where those dollars GO? They don’t stuff greenbacks up the engines and light them. The money is paid to smart and dedicated men and women who build infrastructure, research sciences, and improve the state of the art. And by maintaining leadership in space we assure that we will not wake up one day and find China or Iran threatening to drop a meteor on our heads. It is the ultimate highground. If we don’t hold it someone else will.


49 posted on 09/23/2011 6:15:46 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: lbryce

On a hot and humid July night so long ago, me and my brother sat with my mom and watched a grainy picture on an old B&W tv that was ready to give up the ghost.

We had all been praying for days.

And we saw the pictures of what looked like a ladder and saw the poofed up legs as they jumped down and heard the words “That’s one small step...”

Do not blame NASA.

The embarrassing part is that TWO GENERATIONS have gone by and they are MORE WORRIED ABOUT SOME DAMN SNAIL SOMEWHERE or MORE WORRIED ABOUT GETTING SOME REBATE FOR THEIR REFRIGERATOR or (fill in the blank!!!!!!! THERE ARE TEN THOUSAND THINGS THAT COULD GO HERE) than they are interested in seeing someone back on the moon.

I am so privileged to have watched it.
And I weep for those who will never see it.
But I guess there are alot of things America will never see again...

If people DO NOT DEMAND it, it’s not going to happen.


50 posted on 09/23/2011 6:24:28 AM PDT by djf (Buncha sheep: A flock.. Buncha cows: A herd.. Buncha fish: A school.. Buncha baboons: A Congress..)
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To: lbryce

Neil it’s not the US Space program which is the problem.

It is your comrade fellow democrat, Obama.

Put down the koolaid, and open your eyes.


51 posted on 09/23/2011 6:28:22 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: icanhasbailout
"deeply flawed" said Michael Griffin (NASA Director under Bush) of the new "priorities" that were given to Charles Bolden by President 0. That was an incredible understatement....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/06/nasa-official-walks-claim-muslim-outreach-foremost-mission/

52 posted on 09/23/2011 6:29:39 AM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: John Locke

BTW, there is a book out there called “1421” where it claim the Chinese came to Western America in that year. I don’t know how true it is but I am of the belief that from ancient times to before Columbus, Man has gotten around more than we think or have been taught. If you add the Kennewick Man into the mix, we find out that perhaps “Whitey” got around much more than we thought.


53 posted on 09/23/2011 7:14:04 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: BenKenobi

I agree with Armstrong, but the NASA of today is not the NASA of 1969 by a long shot. Layers of bureaucracy and waste. Get rid of that waste and NASA can go back to the moon and mars.


54 posted on 09/23/2011 8:24:44 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: lbryce; All
The situation is actually much better than as presented in this article.

SpaceX has multiple new CHEAP rockets. Blue Origin has one coming. Likewise, we have multiple human rated vehicles on the way (Spacex, Blue Origin, SNC and Boeing).

Then you add all sorts of new capabilities. Multiple companies working on private space stations (Bigelow Aerospace and IDC Dover), and sub-orbital launchers (Scaled, Blue Origin, Xcor, etc).

Our biggest problem is that members of Congress are trying hard to keep NASA as their personal jobs program. For that, you can blame Shelby(R), Hatch(R), Hutchinson(R), Nelson(D), and a host of others.

What is needed is the neutering of these congressmen/senators who would rather NASA devote massive taxpayer resources to building a massive unneeded rocket, rather than allowing American industry to get us back into space.

55 posted on 09/23/2011 8:46:23 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Nothing will cure the economy but debt deleveraging, deregulation, and time.)
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To: Nowhere Man; John Locke
BTW, there is a book out there called “1421” where it claim the Chinese came to Western America in that year.

That book is an entertaining historical speculation, but there's nothing to back up any of the author's claims.

56 posted on 09/23/2011 8:51:52 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Nothing will cure the economy but debt deleveraging, deregulation, and time.)
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To: lbryce

We don’t have the money for space anymore. Too many hungry mouths to feed.


57 posted on 09/23/2011 2:53:58 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: El Gato
Then there was Apollo 9, with the reading from Genesis from Lunar Orbit on Christmas Eve.

Even if we make it back to the moon, you can bet they'll never be allowed to quote from the Bible again.

58 posted on 09/23/2011 3:00:47 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BenKenobi

Once they are all gone, then it will become a given that the whole thing happened in a Disney studio... A nation of pioneers becomes a nation of takers and fakirs.


59 posted on 09/23/2011 4:39:16 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

Go to MIT and watch them do their laser finder.

Would be an interesting science project to try to do that in your backyard.


60 posted on 09/23/2011 5:02:55 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! “10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government")
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